Ashley Judd...she seems like a reasonable source.
Hard Cast during State Cup
- Thread starter temecs
- Start date
Ashley Judd...she seems like a reasonable source.
outside!
DA
Many times the cast is just on the forearm, leaving the elbow mobile. If the break is in the forearm, a cast will prevent bending moments, but will not prevent compression or tension on the fracture area.
zebrafish
SILVER ELITE
Um... ok. But exactly how many kids are going to play in a soccer game with an immobilized elbow?
If ulna and/or radius are fractured, then by your own statement you'd need to immobilize the joint "above" (and most people who really knew would involuntarily use the term proximal) -- which is the elbow---for complete protection.
I would argue that forearm cast (which allows elbow mobility) does not provide full protection to areas in question. Playing in a forearm cast with fingers exposed is also a great way to break a finger when you fall onto that outstretched hand and can't bend your wrist in a full-contact game. But that is only my knowing opinion. You are welcome to yours, by all means.
Just a Parent
SILVER ELITE
Talking of "knowing", most people who really "knew" would involuntarily use humeroradial joint instead of elbow and antibrachium instead of the forearm. They wouldn't use fingers either. They would involuntarilily call them phalanges. Did I say they wouldn't use "wrist" either? But having being a practioner in this field for only 40 years or so myself, I must say, you really know your stuff. Kudos!!
But having said all this, unbeknown to you, you just answered your own question. If you see a kid with a cast covering just part of the forearm, you can almost be certain the kid does not have a Colle's fracture. Do you know what the commonest fractures are for this type of immobilization dear?
Just a Parent
SILVER ELITE
No one would apply the cast to just the forearm if the fracture is in the forearm.
outside!
DA
Fair enough, what type of fracture gets a forearm cast? I assume the wrist area? While the cast will prevent the wrist from bending, I don't see how it protects from compression or tension (which are somewhat unlikely) loads. Do those types of loads promote healing?
My son once fractured his arm just above the wrist the day before rec season started practice. He sat out from all contact drills and games until he got the cast off. We didn't even ask the doctor if he could play.
My son broke both bones in his left forearm - fell while running backward in tall grass at UCSD and landed on the arm. He got a cast over the entire forearm looped over the thumb. Actually he got the cast three times - one in the ER the night it happened, one the next day because Children's Hospital doc didn't like the way it had been set, one a week later when they still didn't like it.
Just a Parent
SILVER ELITE
Fractures of the bones around the wrist, carpal bones and dislocations. The hand is cashed in a "functional position" with the wrist flexed at 35-40 degrees, which should allow for pretty normal function .
smellycleats
SILVER ELITE
Flexed 35 to 40 degrees in a cast? Really? You have no idea what you're talking about. I'm guessing you're a chiropractor. Jump on google real quick check "functional position".
Just a Parent
SILVER ELITE
Oh, I could have said dorsiflexed, but what good would that have made to the average reader? Second, why in the world would I look for medical information at Google real?
smellycleats
SILVER ELITE
Why not? It seems to have served you well so far. You don't use the term dorsiflexion to describe motion of the wrist. Dorsiflexion, plantarflexion refer to the ankle.
Just a Parent
SILVER ELITE
In the olden days we called it volar flexion. For your Google that would be extension.
smellycleats
SILVER ELITE
Olden days of what field? Massage therapy?
Just a Parent
SILVER ELITE
smellycleats
SILVER ELITE
My point is, maybe you shouldn't condescend to others and dispense medical advice if you have no idea what you're talking about.
Just a Parent
SILVER ELITE
To an ignoramus such as yourself, it may appear as if that is what I'm doing but I'm simply stating the obvious.
Just A Parent...Why is it you can spell all of the important medical terms correctly but you can't spell some of the basic words in your posts the right way? For someone who has spent years in the field you are either a NP or a PA w/HUA (Figure out that term) or an Orthopedist with really bad spelling and terrible reading comprehension who just squeaked by in Med School. "smelly cleats" said to jump on Google real quick. You asked why would you bother looking for medical info on 'Google real'. Before that "espola" said they fired 'Dr. A' right off the field. You referred to him as 'Dr. A right'. I think you really are gathering all of your info off of Google!! THUN THUN THUN!! 
Yeah I'm just stirring the pot. But for the record...I wouldn't want anyone with a cast playing in a game against my kid. My kid is a GK and although I've seen her take plenty of hits on the field, I'd rather not see the outcome of her against a striker after she takes a forearm to the face from a cast, padded or not.
I now return you to your regularly scheduled program of "Forum Posters vs J.A.P." in the great cast debate.
Yeah I'm just stirring the pot. But for the record...I wouldn't want anyone with a cast playing in a game against my kid. My kid is a GK and although I've seen her take plenty of hits on the field, I'd rather not see the outcome of her against a striker after she takes a forearm to the face from a cast, padded or not.
I now return you to your regularly scheduled program of "Forum Posters vs J.A.P." in the great cast debate.
Just a Parent
SILVER ELITE
Google hey? OK.Just A Parent...Why is it you can spell all of the important medical terms correctly but you can't spell some of the basic words in your posts the right way? For someone who has spent years in the field you are either a NP or a PA w/HUA (Figure out that term) or an Orthopedist with really bad spelling and terrible reading comprehension who just squeaked by in Med School. "smelly cleats" said to jump on Google real quick. You asked why would you bother looking for medical info on 'Google real'. Before that "espola" said they fired 'Dr. A' right off the field. You referred to him as 'Dr. A right'. I think you really are gathering all of your info off of Google!! THUN THUN THUN!!
Yeah I'm just stirring the pot. But for the record...I wouldn't want anyone with a cast playing in a game against my kid. My kid is a GK and although I've seen her take plenty of hits on the field, I'd rather not see the outcome of her against a striker after she takes a forearm to the face from a cast, padded or not.
I now return you to your regularly scheduled program of "Forum Posters vs J.A.P." in the great cast debate.
But as far as you not wanting anyone playing with a cast against your son, that is your prerogative, just as it is the referee's prerogative to allow or not allow a cast.
The OP in the immediate aftermath of his/her child breaking their arm inquired about playing with a cast (I can understand how he/she felt in the moment). After giving it some time and looks like going to the orthopod, he/she logically determined that it wasn't the best idea to have their child play with a broken arm.
Ironically, its some of the refs, the very ones charged with player safety, that continue to promote having a child play injured. What's even more fascinating is its some of the same refs that when some parent is upset about refs, tells the complainers something to the effect of "its just kids playing soccer, its not life or death, get over it". Having perspective works both ways.
CalNorth doesn't allow any hard casts even with padding. Maybe its time CalSouth implemented the same policy, it would certainly take all the subjectivity out of the issue.
Ironically, its some of the refs, the very ones charged with player safety, that continue to promote having a child play injured. What's even more fascinating is its some of the same refs that when some parent is upset about refs, tells the complainers something to the effect of "its just kids playing soccer, its not life or death, get over it". Having perspective works both ways.
CalNorth doesn't allow any hard casts even with padding. Maybe its time CalSouth implemented the same policy, it would certainly take all the subjectivity out of the issue.
Just a Parent
SILVER ELITE
One can choose to play in leagues in CalSouth that do not allow hard casts, like CSL. One can also decide not to play their kid if the kid has a cast.
Fortunately most parents, coaches and refs err on the side of caution so its a rare occurence.