jrcaesar
SILVER ELITE
Is this your U10 Rec team? Probably not intentional.
U12 AYSO, yes. Mid-season tourney, raises money for cancer. Played Wednesday, Friday, two games Saturday.
Watched the girls's U17 games and the finals of the women's professional league. Had both recorded. They seem to call a lot of hand balls that most definitely weren't intentional. The big question is why? All were outside the box at least, but after reading information here, surprised me how often hand ball is called with olders and professionals.
Watched the girls's U17 games and the finals of the women's professional league. Had both recorded. They seem to call a lot of hand balls that most definitely weren't intentional. The big question is why? All were outside the box at least, but after reading information here, surprised me how often hand ball is called with olders and professionals.
Law5
BRONZE
I always start off my pregame with the players as saying "handballs... I hate them and you probably won't see me calling many of them because they need to be DELIBERATE and they need to be hand to the ball not ball to the hand" That's all the rules say about it anyways and you don't need to explain anything to any coach or player.
Just a Parent
SILVER ELITE
What's wrong with going by USSF/IFAB consideratio?
Just a Parent
SILVER ELITE
I have always found these pregames with players rather strange.
Just a Parent
SILVER ELITE
Vast majority? Where?
coachrefparent
GOLD
SocalSoccerMom
SILVER ELITE
Our defender tried to chest the ball this weekend, and missed it. The ball bounced and hit her forearm. Ref called the foul, PK as it happened in the box.
Just a Parent
SILVER ELITE
No one is disputing that these things happen. The question is where is this supposed vast majority?
Surfref
PREMIER
Those referees that you refer too are not the vast majority. They are the ones that do not attend the monthly training or even open the LOTG book to study. The vast majority of these refs tend to be lazy and do not know how to apply the LOTG. Any decent ref knows the criteria for Handling unlike the large number of parents that are constantly yelling "handball."
Surfref
PREMIER
What was the position of her arm? Was it by her side, out to the side, in the air? The position and movement of the arm are considerations.
I rarely call handling.
Surfref
PREMIER
What was the position of her arm? Was it by her side, out to the side, in the air? The position and movement of the arm are considerations.
I rarely call handling.
I don't doubt that is the case and I'm not including you in that group. Would you say that over 50% of licensed refs in San Diego attend the monthly meetings?
Maybe vast majority is a little harsh, but is there are many refs at the youth level, and many more parents, that believe its a foul if a player benefits or gains an advantage from a non-deliberate "handball".
Just a Parent
SILVER ELITE
Parents, sure. But referees? Perhaps a few. But many? Where?
SocalSoccerMom
SILVER ELITE
Player's arms were out for balance. She collected the ball the same way every time, and did so several times prior to the call so this was no a deliberate handball situation.
coachrefparent
GOLD
Not so sure. There is a "trick" that many players are taught, and learn quite well. They learn to receive a ball at the chest with their fists clenched, arms pointing straight up, to the side of their body. It is taught as a way to "bear down" and tighten the core for the reception. But coaches and players also know that a misplay will likely deflect off the lower biceps or inner elbow. Unless the referee is in a perfect position, handling is rarely called. Coaches also teach the player to jerk sideways to make it appear as thought the ball is being directed by the chest, although there is clear redirection by the upper arm.
As a coach and part of a referee crew, I've seen it work most of the time.
Just a Parent
SILVER ELITE
If the referee is in a perfect, (or not perfect) position, what you describe is not handling the ball deliberately and should not be called even if the ball deflects off the lower biceps or inner elbow, at least according to USSF considerations. The ball went towards the arms and not the arms towards the ball.
What's the proper call when a young player instinctively brings their arms in to block the ball and protect their body on a close range shot? Obviously, it's deliberate but I've seen refs not call it in the "spirit" of the game. Sometimes it seems a little harsh to call a handball but what's the correct call?
From what I've seen- if the hands/arms are tight to the body, then no call. If the hands move forward to block, then it's a handling call.
Also- if there is a chance to move out of the way or use your chest/head safely, but the arms come up in defense instead, then it's a handling call.
But it's completely up to the ref to decide.