Girls Development Academy

Sunil Illuminati said:
Maybe LAFC can. If Slammer's were making enough to fund a whole Academy on their own why bother merging with another affiliate?
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That's what I was assuming too - the affiliation with LAFC was going to help, at least in part, to fund the program (even if not fully fund).

With 9 out of 10 NWSL clubs (3 of those MLS affiliated) and 4 MLS teams fielding Girls DA teams, it will be interesting to see what happens with funding. Free soccer is going to be a big draw for most. So if a few clubs start doing it in a region, it will put a lot of pressure on other clubs in the region that want to remain competitive.
 
Sunil Illuminati said:
No way. With "Maybe" the exception of Surf. I don't think there's any club that could afford to carry a fully funded Academy Program.
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Hmmm
I would think Surf would be the bottom with Blues with ability to fund.
I would think Legends, Pats, CBAD, Albion would all be able to shoulder a great portion of cost due to sheer size of their clubs.
I haven't resercahed Beach or RSC or Eagles and number of teams per age to determine that.
I agree I think a lot of people like the free aspect vs the let's look at the program aspect. So many of us have been on the scene for so long so we know you can't slap DA onto a system that doesn't change it's curriculum or coaches and expect change. But hey free? People are willing to overlook a lot for that ...
 
mahrez said:
Each da team is more than double what a normal club team costs around 6k per player or more so about 200k a year.

For full funding you have to have some very deep pockets, get scholarship $, and there is still separate travel costs. For most pay to play will still be likley the norm to some degree, reduced fees from club subsides or some scholarship $ available based on income levels from ussda
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I think your numbers are way off. Let's assume it's 6K per player. 16/18 players per team (that's all they need). That's only 96K to 108K. But the 6K number is way too high. That's the amount that parents pay, that's not the actual cost to the club. The big cost for clubs is coaching, which I would guess would cost the club less than $100K spit over the three teams.

As for the free part, I don't think it is really relevant to people participating on this forum. We are already sucked into the system and we can afford it. The funding hopefully will attract people that aren't playing soccer because it's too expensive. Maybe we will start getting the talented athletes we need so we can continue to out athlete the rest of the world.
 
Glen said:
I think your numbers are way off. Let's assume it's 6K per player. 16/18 players per team (that's all they need). That's only 96K to 108K. But the 6K number is way too high. That's the amount that parents pay, that's not the actual cost to the club. The big cost for clubs is coaching, which I would guess would cost the club less than $100K spit over the three teams.

As for the free part, I don't think it is really relevant to people participating on this forum. We are already sucked into the system and we can afford it. The funding hopefully will attract people that aren't playing soccer because it's too expensive. Maybe we will start getting the talented athletes we need so we can continue to out athlete the rest of the world.
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Have you ever looked at real costs or how much organization spend on fully funded teams in the full da league? I have seen them: 20-23 players x 6k plus 60k travel or more is close to 200k per teams.

Training 4 days a week, playing 9 months field fees are rather large, not to mention multiple A & B coaches, the trainers, etc. Big costs all around and the 6k is about the average for what the scholarship apps says for the players that apply in the da leagues

I have no idea what parents pay but the clubs estimate that each player costs them those amounts.
 
mahrez said:
Have you ever looked at real costs or how much organization spend on fully funded teams in the full da league? I have seen them: 20-23 players x 6k plus 60k travel or more is close to 200k per teams.

Training 4 days a week, playing 9 months field fees are rather large, not to mention multiple A & B coaches, the trainers, etc. Big costs all around and the 6k is about the average for what the scholarship apps says for the players that apply in the da leagues

I have no idea what parents pay but the clubs estimate that each player costs them those amounts.
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That is a HUGE number and nowhere near what I payed per year in ECNL. If it is fully funded or subsidized I am all for it (minus the no high school thing, families should be able to decide what's best for THEIR player this isn't China).
 
Free is a good thing. Things won't be free forever. Other sports are not free, I just can't see clubs or MLS funding this for the long term.
But Take advantage of it while it's here!
 
I stated you needed a life...

3thatplay said:
You need a life. Spending the time it took to review posted times of likes and dislikes and then making screenshots of them and posting your findings on a soccer forum is insane. Go take a dip in the ocean and cool off.
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NoGoal said:
When a posters attacks a poster (IWML) who I know personally. I will research to reveal who the moron is!

As for you, you're like reading the headlines of a newspaper, because you are the father of K.W. who plays for Carlsbad Elite U17 team and committed to Colorado for the class of 2018. I hope your DD asked why Colorado had 7-8 players transfer off their team this off season, including a few who were starters. Rumor has it there is a lack of team chemistry.:eek: Idiot!
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...so you attacked my daughter's decision to go to the school of her dreams since our family is from Colorado AND play soccer...

NoGoal said:
Funny, my DD never choose the school based on how many championships they won. It also doesn't change the fact that my wife and I will only be paying 6K a year which includes books, tuition and boarding for our DD to attend UDub. What is awesome is their football team is ranked #5 could be #4 (tomorrow) in the nation!
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And now that Washington is having an off year in soccer and an on year in Football you state that she chose the school based on everything but soccer. Washington is a great school and I think the soccer program will bounce back easily next year, maybe even due to your DD playing there.

You have a lot of info that could help others but you choose to share in a bullying way.

Thank you for the BigSoccer tip. I choose to read that forum now way more than SoCalSoccer mostly due to you and the other jerks on this site.

Cool off and enjoy your daughter's successes, and nice scholarship, and then try to add to the conversation instead of being a narcissistic ass.
 
Remember your adages: if it sounds too good to be true & you get what you $ for. People, these professional teams do not care about girls soccer. Only trying to double their fan bases with girls and assuming those pro teams are still viable in the future as few make serious money, perhaps the kids of our kids will mean more future ticket sales. How many Galaxy shirts do they sell in England compared with EPL shirts sold in the states. Do the math. With the import of worldwide albeit has-been players who demand outrageous salaries in MLS, they can only afford to lose money for so long.
 
The data suggests DA has not helped the men's team. They looked terrible in their loss to Costa Rica. They also lost to Mexico.

So why should I believe GDA will be helpful when without the women are doing just fine?
 
eastbaysoccer said:
The data suggests DA has not helped the men's team. They looked terrible in their loss to Costa Rica. They also lost to Mexico.

So why should I believe GDA will be helpful when without the women are doing just fine?
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Good soccer is relative. Both stink but agree DA is not the solution because there is no solution. I will say it again; it's a players game.
 
eastbaysoccer said:
The data suggests DA has not helped the men's team. They looked terrible in their loss to Costa Rica. They also lost to Mexico.

So why should I believe GDA will be helpful when without the women are doing just fine?
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Shhhh! Here, have some cool-aid. If you watched the U17 and U20 Women's World Cup, you wouldn't say the women are doing fine. The positive I see with GDA is that it fixed some problems with ECNL in SoCal and especially in San Diego county. Hopefully there are now enough GDA teams in SoCal that travel out of the area will be limited. I still think any closed system is problematic, and in that sense GDA is no better than ECNL. Well performing teams should be able to earn a spot.
 
3thatplay said:
I stated you needed a life...





...so you attacked my daughter's decision to go to the school of her dreams since our family is from Colorado AND play soccer...



And now that Washington is having an off year in soccer and an on year in Football you state that she chose the school based on everything but soccer. Washington is a great school and I think the soccer program will bounce back easily next year, maybe even due to your DD playing there.

You have a lot of info that could help others but you choose to share in a bullying way.

Thank you for the BigSoccer tip. I choose to read that forum now way more than SoCalSoccer mostly due to you and the other jerks on this site.

Cool off and enjoy your daughter's successes, and nice scholarship, and then try to add to the conversation instead of being a narcissistic ass.
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I just read this post and why I am replying late! This is good information for parents just starting the recruiting process as well. Obviously, many posters like 3thatplay don't know that student athlete transfers can affect a athletic program.

One great year by the Buffs and your sticking your chest out. Unfortunately, it doesn't change the fact what I posted about the Buffs having 7-8 players who transferred out this off season. That is still a red flag and you should NOT be sticking your head in the sand ignoring it, just because the Buffs had a winning season and losing to South Carolina in the 2nd round of NCAA playoffs last night doesn't change anything.

Need some information why that should be of concern to you and your DD? It hurts the Buffs NCAA APR score. You are probably asking yourself, what is that? Well read up! A reason why I posted my DD didn't select a school based on NCAA titles College Cup titles!
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/division-i-academic-progress-rate-apr
http://web1.ncaa.org/maps/aprRelease.jsp

APR is used to evaluate a coaches athletic program. The NCAA gives scores based on graduate rates. The more transfers or players quit their sport before they graduate at the Univeristy counts against them. If a low APR pattern continues (7-8 transfer will drastically lower the Buffs score for the 2015-2016 season) it suggest the program is more focused on graduating their student athletes. A couple of consequences NCAA could impose are loss of team scholarships, probation, training restrictions, etc.
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources...ion-i-student-athletes-still-making-gains-apr

You are welcome, LMAO!
 
NoGoal said:
I just read this post and why I am replying late! This is good information for parents just starting the recruiting process as well. Obviously, many posters like 3thatplay don't know that student athlete transfers can affect a athletic program.

One great year by the Buffs and your sticking your chest out. Unfortunately, it doesn't change the fact what I posted about the Buffs having 7-8 players who transferred out this off season. That is still a red flag and you should NOT be sticking your head in the sand ignoring it, just because the Buffs had a winning season and losing to South Carolina in the 2nd round of NCAA playoffs last night doesn't change anything.

Need some information why that should be of concern to you and your DD? It hurts the Buffs NCAA APR score. You are probably asking yourself, what is that? Well read up! A reason why I posted my DD didn't select a school based on NCAA titles College Cup titles!
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/division-i-academic-progress-rate-apr
http://web1.ncaa.org/maps/aprRelease.jsp

APR is used to evaluate a coaches athletic program. The NCAA gives scores based on graduate rates. The more transfers or players quit their sport before they graduate at the Univeristy counts against them. If a low APR pattern continues (7-8 transfer will drastically lower the Buffs score for the 2015-2016 season) it suggest the program is more focused on graduating their student athletes. A couple of consequences NCAA could impose are loss of team scholarships, probation, training restrictions, etc.
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources...ion-i-student-athletes-still-making-gains-apr

You are welcome, LMAO!
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Correction, I meant to post the lower an APR score specifically 930 or below, suggest the athletic program is NOT focused on graduating their student athletes! It also a 930 APR triggers NCAA restriction consequences. Better check that Buffs score come spring time or figure out how it's calculated.
 
NoGoal said:
Correction, I meant to post the lower an APR score specifically 930 or below, suggest the athletic program is NOT focused on graduating their student athletes! It also a 930 APR triggers NCAA restriction consequences. Better check that Buffs score come spring time or figure out how it's calculated.
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NoGoal,

Where are you finding the number of student athlete transfers?
 
outside! said:
NoGoal,

Where are you finding the number of student athlete transfers?
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Great question there isn't any and why NCAA APR should be reviewed. I happen to know about the Buffs, because I read Bigsoccer forum. You can also do it manually, comparing the unversity's roster from the previous year minus graduating Sr's. Then see if the frosh, sooh and Jr players are their in the current season.
 
Rumor in Phoenix last week is that the ECNL has apparently told many members that if they put their best players/teams in the DA, their ECNL membership would be revoked.
Could lead to some difficult choices for some clubs.
 
NoGoal said:
I just read this post and why I am replying late! This is good information for parents just starting the recruiting process as well. Obviously, many posters like 3thatplay don't know that student athlete transfers can affect a athletic program.

One great year by the Buffs and your sticking your chest out. Unfortunately, it doesn't change the fact what I posted about the Buffs having 7-8 players who transferred out this off season. That is still a red flag and you should NOT be sticking your head in the sand ignoring it, just because the Buffs had a winning season and losing to South Carolina in the 2nd round of NCAA playoffs last night doesn't change anything.

Need some information why that should be of concern to you and your DD? It hurts the Buffs NCAA APR score. You are probably asking yourself, what is that? Well read up! A reason why I posted my DD didn't select a school based on NCAA titles College Cup titles!
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/division-i-academic-progress-rate-apr
http://web1.ncaa.org/maps/aprRelease.jsp

APR is used to evaluate a coaches athletic program. The NCAA gives scores based on graduate rates. The more transfers or players quit their sport before they graduate at the Univeristy counts against them. If a low APR pattern continues (7-8 transfer will drastically lower the Buffs score for the 2015-2016 season) it suggest the program is more focused on graduating their student athletes. A couple of consequences NCAA could impose are loss of team scholarships, probation, training restrictions, etc.
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources...ion-i-student-athletes-still-making-gains-apr

You are welcome, LMAO!
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U Wash APR = 997
CU APR = 997

It doesn't look like our Buff buddies should be concerned about APR. Buy, hey, nice shift from the Buffs' "chemistry problems" to meaningless APR nonsense. I guess that's the only thing left after the Buffs finished top 3 in the Pac-12 this year - obviously little chemistry problems. What place did the Dawgs finish?
 
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