The Driver
PREMIER
Map I said low-key. I am vegan on this forum NO Beef at all. I just find it strange when a team can muscle and kickball themselves to a Natty.
Girls Development Academy
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NoGoal
DA
Really? That's why ODP scouts are at ulittle national and state cup as well as at CRL events. Even if your DD wasn't recommended like mine wasn't. It doesn't mean they can't stand-out on the pitch and receive an invite all on their own merits. Then those players still have to tryout with over 130 girls to be named to a final 18 team with 4 alternates? Please!
domestictravler
BRONZE
People need to get their head out of the sand, to actually realize, that there is a problem. Good Luck!
NoGoal
DA
With Girls DA coming Fall season. Cal-South ODP will no longer field the best players anymore.
NoGoal
DA
You have no idea, because your DD hasn't gone through the process. #haters
MakeAPlay
DA
I hear you. It was a surprise to me that they were able to pull it off. Just check out a replay of any of their tournament games especially the ones against Georgetown or West Virginia. You want to see a team use it against them watch their games against Cal and UCLA.
NoGoal
DA
You're a 2003 ulittle parent who went to watch the A bracket at Vegas Cup this past weekend. You seriously clueless! Maybe you'll have better luck this Fall with Girls DA.
Kicknit22
GOLD
Cal South ODP has NEVER fielded all the "best" players. You're fooling yourself if you think otherwise. Excellent players, for sure, that can and usually do beat all other regions. I will say "Some" of the best, to be fair. I have said this before, Cal south could field multiple Allstar teams to go compete regionally, and finish as a group at the top.
NoGoal
DA
Ulittle parents need to understand and this applies to CRL, ECNL, ODP, ID2, PDP, YNT, college recruiting and soon Girls DA. A player being selected to any ID team or recruited for college soccer is based on a coaches player preference fitting their style of play. If you are hating ODP now, you will hate on the college recruiting process. It's all the same!
Kicknit22
GOLD
Not hating on ODP, at all. Just throwing some realism about it. Just not a believer in the process or structure. Been there, done that with one of mine.
MakeAPlay
DA
When my player was first in ODP it was 99% of the best players in her birth year. When she was a junior in their last year of ODP about 6-8 players that should have been on the team opted out (mostly Slammers players) and one player who was a starter a year before didn't make the roster for some reason (and she was recently called into U23 WNT camp!).
ODP was good for my player and most of her national championship team has been called into at least one YNT camp.
Kicknit22
GOLD
Again, never said ODP wasn't good for players. It certainly is. Great for the resume. But, no MAP, even for your players time, it did not represent 99% of the best. That's your opinion. Makes sense you would think so. Even if ALL 18 + 4 went on to have decorated futures, doesn't make your assessment fact. Sorry.
CaliKlines
Well-Known Member
Kick, if you disagree with them you are labeled a "HATER" and your posts are denoted as "Dumb". It is actually kind of funny, if it weren't so juvenile. Just don't have an opinion and you'll be alright.
clueless parent
SILVER
Are we talking about competition or development? "GDA SoCal Conference will be watered down" seems to target competitiveness - that is, is it hard to beat teams within the GDA conference. A challenging league schedule appears to be a hallmark of the ECNL league schedule. Teams work hard to win each game. This is a very team-centered paradigm. The best teams in a given year become ECNL championship teams.
By contrast, the GDA purports to shift to a player-centered paradigm where team wins and losses are not the focus. The process of player development is the measure for success, not championship teams. The GDA wants to develop great players, which the GDA believes will lead to great national teams in the future. The GDA purports to forego current team wins for the larger goal of creating great players to populate future national teams.
I think it is fair to say that the GDA will waterdown the SoCal team competitions when compared to the ECNL model of team championships. The crux of the debate is whether great future national teams are created through player-centered development models (GDA) or through hard fought elite team competition such as the ECNL model.
We can agree that the GDA will develop a larger base of girls in SoCal over a four-year period (as compared to the smaller number of ECNL rosters). Only time will tell if that larger development pool will yield a higher quality of player that GDA seems to want. When the same clubs and coaches are merely shifting from ECNL to GDA, it seems far less likely that anything will change. Thus, the focus on the competitiveness of the proposed GDA SoCal Conference.
NoGoal
DA
Your another parent who's DD was never invited to tryout for the 1999 ODP team right. It's why you thanked Domestictravelers post.
Do you think your DD could have beaten out Brooke Reddington (Stanford commit) on the Cal-South G1999 team at holding mid?
outside!
DA
There is plenty of ugly soccer being played at the college level (USC and SDSU come to mind). There is also plenty of ugly soccer at the elite youth level. I have seen ECNL championship games that were ugly kickball. I have also seen good possession teams reduced to playing kickball when they face an opponent that won't let them play their normal game.
MakeAPlay
DA
If you say so. We probably have different ideas of what elite is and I am looking in my rearview mirror. You know what they say about hindsight being 20/20. I have a very good understanding of the player pool that my player was in and I have seen every good or better team that was in her age group over the course of 10 years. I know who the players are so you can think what you want to think. You are probably one of those people that believe that there are hundreds of elite players in each age group in SoCal which simply isn't true. Most players aren't elite. Again there are >30 elite players per age group in all of SoCal and there are maybe 5-7 that are special. Here is something that will help you figure out who the elite players are https://sites.google.com/site/soccerrecruits/. The ones that are 2019's and already committed to the top schools. Not a lot per age group at this early a stage.
I'm not going to debate this with you as you are speculating and really don't have any experience to draw on. Cheers.
NoGoal
DA
And tell me what were the results of the US Soccer trained U17 and U20 teams? The US Soccer coaches trained these girls almost once a week, every month for the last 2 years with their so called best practice methods.
You actually believe, since US Soccer is heading Girls DA that club coaches will train and develop their players differently? Girls DA is comprised of 80% of the same ECNL clubs.
For 99% of Girls DA players the goal will be college soccer. The net net is players and parents will continue to place their kids where they will get the maximum college exposure. In this case with 15 Girls DA clubs, it will boil down to who is fully subsidized and/or get their players committed to the best university relative to scholarship offers and team competitivness.
MakeAPlay
DA
Cali you are ridiculous. You disagree with anything that isn't pro Legends. You really have no original thoughts. You used to be rah rah for the Strikers and when you left the ECNL you changed your tune. You are comic relief and don't even realize it. You should go into politics.
NoGoal
DA
Oh man....you posted the natty USC plays ugly soccer.