GIRLS DAII

[ESPNANALYST]

No I meant DA. If your kid trys out for a DA roster spot, and the Coach that you respect says "your kids not ready, but heres a spot on the B-team"...you are saying the parent will walk and try out for some other DA or ECNL club instead of accept the B team spot. I'm saying if that kid isn't a clear cut DA level baller then why shop your kid around to other DA/ECNL programs and risk them making the team as a sub? *Especially* in DA with the strict sub rules.

PS I have not heard that DAII is following DA sub rules. Where did you hear that?

Of course anyone would try their hand multiple places!
Why not? One club this season thought they were going to be just fine. They let several players go to other DA and girls who were not "good enough" for one team got 3-5 other DA offers. Now it's April and they are hurting because of their arrogance.
Another thing we have seen is the movement. Specifically former powerhouses are losing players to other clubs. A once offensive team now has a stacked defense - its intersting to see thus far how the "culture" of the teams are changing. I know of only 1 DA team that is largely composed of its previous players. Everyone else is a smattering so I think at this point it's unfair to make an assessment on relative strength.
Do what's best always for your girl. B team or whatever a good coach is a good coach.
The coach I referred to above is not a good one and everyone knows it but it's a classic brand vs coach talent dilemma. What I think is GREAT about two of the major clubs is that the coaches are coaching a main team and a developmental team. I think that sends a strong signal to parents of the value of development and they should be lauded for their commitment. Beach and Surf did a fine job of coaching assignments that have some very good coaches at a "b team" level.

 

[ESPNANALYST]

I know many good players on B teams, and I think obviously it is best to have your child somewhere they are going to get 50%+ play time. I just don't understand why they need a separate league, when they are the second team. It seems like nothing but a ploy to keep parents happy. And while you are realitic, I can tell you a lot of parents are not, and the clubs are catering to those parents.

I have heard he opposite. They are not buying it and that's why those "DA2" teams are now trying to recruit youngers to "play up"

 

[NoGoal]

No I meant DA. If your kid trys out for a DA roster spot, and the Coach that you respect says "your kids not ready, but heres a spot on the B-team"...you are saying the parent will walk and try out for some other DA or ECNL club instead of accept the B team spot. I'm saying if that kid isn't a clear cut DA level baller then why shop your kid around to other DA/ECNL programs and risk them making the team as a sub? *Especially* in DA with the strict sub rules.

PS I have not heard that DAII is following DA sub rules. Where did you hear that?

There are many variables, but a player not starting or getting on a Girls DA 1,2,3,4 ranked team. Doesn't mean the same player couldn't start and or play a lot for a middle-lower Girls DA or ECNL team. As you are aware by U15/U16 it's best to play a lot of minutes on a team that will be seen by college coaches.

Maybe I read to much into this post below assuming, if they are following the guidelines and principles mandated by DA that the sub rules would also be the same.

"The Academy II- Developmental Player League (DP League) was created through a collaboration between Development Academy clubs and provides an incredible option for an expanded pool of participating players to train and develop under the same guidelines and principles mandated by the DA. Players who excel in the Academy II program will also have the opportunity to serve as “Developmental Players” to the DA teams.

 

[gkrent]

Of course anyone would try their hand multiple places!
Why not? One club this season thought they were going to be just fine. They let several players go to other DA and girls who were not "good enough" for one team got 3-5 other DA offers. Now it's April and they are hurting because of their arrogance.
Another thing we have seen is the movement. Specifically former powerhouses are losing players to other clubs. A once offensive team now has a stacked defense - its intersting to see thus far how the "culture" of the teams are changing. I know of only 1 DA team that is largely composed of its previous players. Everyone else is a smattering so I think at this point it's unfair to make an assessment on relative strength.
Do what's best always for your girl. B team or whatever a good coach is a good coach.
The coach I referred to above is not a good one and everyone knows it but it's a classic brand vs coach talent dilemma. What I think is GREAT about two of the major clubs is that the coaches are coaching a main team and a developmental team. I think that sends a strong signal to parents of the value of development and they should be lauded for their commitment. Beach and Surf did a fine job of coaching assignments that have some very good coaches at a "b team" level.

Great example. I guess I just didn't feel the need to shop around because I knew that the situation we were in was the best, coaching-wise, and actually one of the most up-front clubs I have dealt with. But I get it, a player from certain teams may truly be a baller just not the kind of baller those coaches like. The coach they are dealing with maybe a BSer extraordinaire, of just being really noncommittal. All valid reasons to go looking.

I guess what I'm trying to get at is that I honestly don't believe most parents will put their kids on a DAII team solely because they were dazzled by the gaming circuit.

 

[GoWest]

Of course anyone would try their hand multiple places!
Why not? One club this season thought they were going to be just fine. They let several players go to other DA and girls who were not "good enough" for one team got 3-5 other DA offers. Now it's April and they are hurting because of their arrogance.
Another thing we have seen is the movement. Specifically former powerhouses are losing players to other clubs. A once offensive team now has a stacked defense - its intersting to see thus far how the "culture" of the teams are changing. I know of only 1 DA team that is largely composed of its previous players. Everyone else is a smattering so I think at this point it's unfair to make an assessment on relative strength.
Do what's best always for your girl. B team or whatever a good coach is a good coach.
The coach I referred to above is not a good one and everyone knows it but it's a classic brand vs coach talent dilemma. What I think is GREAT about two of the major clubs is that the coaches are coaching a main team and a developmental team. I think that sends a strong signal to parents of the value of development and they should be lauded for their commitment. Beach and Surf did a fine job of coaching assignments that have some very good coaches at a "b team" level.

"I know of only 1 DA team that is largely composed of its previous players. Everyone else is a smattering so I think at this point it's unfair to make an assessment on relative strength...."

Which 1 DA team are you referring to?

 

[ESPNANALYST]

Great example. I guess I just didn't feel the need to shop around because I knew that the situation we were in was the best, coaching-wise, and actually one of the most up-front clubs I have dealt with. But I get it, a player from certain teams may truly be a baller just not the kind of baller those coaches like. The coach they are dealing with maybe a BSer extraordinaire, of just being really noncommittal. All valid reasons to go looking.

I guess what I'm trying to get at is that I honestly don't believe most parents will put their kids on a DAII team solely because they were dazzled by the gaming circuit.

I agree and responded as such. Parents seem to be very smart this season- cautious. I saw a lot more shopping of DA and ECNL right down to playing time promises etc than ever.
I like to think of it also as a big puzzle. It's not always about skill or heart- it's what the coaches need at the time. You can't take it personally.
We found that in our quest to find a coach that appreciated the type of player mine is was paramount. We got lucky (and have been over the years actually)
I hope the league works because the girls deserve it. Beach B and LAGSD B are GOOD TEAMS. They deserve a good circuit

 

[JackZ]

The website fonts and colors even match the "real" DA website. Smart.

 

[IntheknowSoccer]

I am not a fan of D2 aka the new Development Player League (DPL) which is not sanctioned by US Soccer. DA Southwest Division announced the formation of the new league. It's also exclusive - only the 11 DA clubs, who are non-ECNL clubs will play in the DPL. Those clubs are Legends SC, Albion SC, LA Galaxy, LA Galaxy SD, Albion SC, Eagles, LA Premier FC, Beach FC, Real So Cal, and Pateadores. Eagles and RSC will no longer be affiliated with ECNL. But of course, that can all change in 2018-2019.

 

[NoGoal]

Great example. I guess I just didn't feel the need to shop around because I knew that the situation we were in was the best, coaching-wise, and actually one of the most up-front clubs I have dealt with. But I get it, a player from certain teams may truly be a baller just not the kind of baller those coaches like. The coach they are dealing with maybe a BSer extraordinaire, of just being really noncommittal. All valid reasons to go looking.

I guess what I'm trying to get at is that I honestly don't believe most parents will put their kids on a DAII team solely because they were dazzled by the gaming circuit.

GKrent you wouldn't do it, but many parents do place their kids based on a league. It's why a couple or so DA clubs were selling DAII as a US Soccer DA affiliated league. Now it's called a Development Players League.

 

[JackZ]

WHOIS lookup on the website domain (www.dpleague.org), just to fact check some, resulted in:

Registrant Contact
Name: LA Galaxy San Diego
Organization: LA Galaxy SD
Mailing Address: 5315 Avenida Encinas, Carlsbad California 92008 US
Phone: +1.7607176919
Ext:
Fax:
Fax Ext:
Email: patricktrolan@live.com
Admin Contact
Name: LA Galaxy San Diego
Organization: LA Galaxy SD
Mailing Address: 5315 Avenida Encinas, Carlsbad California 92008 US
Phone: +1.7607176919
Ext:
Fax:
Fax Ext:
Email: patricktrolan@live.com
Tech Contact
Name: LA Galaxy San Diego
Organization: LA Galaxy SD
Mailing Address: 5315 Avenida Encinas, Carlsbad California 92008 US
Phone: +1.7607176919
Ext:
Fax:
Fax Ext:
Email: patricktrolan@live.com

 

[GoWest]

Does it really matter? Was there all this hoopla when EGSL hit the market as far as "official sanctioning" goes? At the end of the day, I agree with ESPNanalyst that parents are being cautious before buying. Bottom line, like it or not, DA will be the "big dog" while ECNL and Academy2 will fall in line.

 

[chargerfan]

GKrent you would do it, but many parents do place their kids based on a league. It's why a couple or so DA clubs were selling DAII as a US Soccer DA affiliated league. Now it's called a Development Players League.

I think when it comes down to it, DA was created to identify a select few from each age group. The top 3-4 from the top DA teams will be looked at. I think we already have an idea who those girls are. They are the ones that every DA team is trying to recruit. Honestly, for most girls in DA and then the girls in DAII, it just doesn't matter.

 

[ESPNANALYST]

Disagree my dd training thus far has been EXCEPTIONAL in the DA.
Like it or not a DA player will receive instruction and additional training someone in ECNL or. SCDSL won't get.

 

[MyDaughtersAKeeper]

I hope the league works because the girls deserve it. Beach B and LAGSD B are GOOD TEAMS. They deserve a good circuit

Which LAGSD B team are you referring to? I absolutely adore last year's '04 2nd team coach (NE) but they had a very difficult time in league. The '03 2nd team did OK in league but didn't have the kind of year CH did with the top team (yes I know that CH had a great year, but still).

 

[ESPNANALYST]

Again you guys are comparing apples to oranges.
These are not last years teams anymore.
The movement is significant.
Your stats and numbers won't work anymore

 

[chargerfan]

Disagree my dd training thus far has been EXCEPTIONAL in the DA.
Like it or not a DA player will receive instruction and additional training someone in ECNL or. SCDSL won't get.

That's great, but the DAs goal of identifying national teams players is only applicable to the top few in DA. Maybe I'm not clued in completely, but how is the instruction and training any different other than the extra day? It's the same coaches.

 

[dreamz]

This is an off shoot League under the Presidio umbrella. Now you have Presidio, SDDA, and whatever they are calling this all overseen by Bob Turner. This is fact.

Those loyal to Presidio aren't happy.

This is nothing more then a way for these clubs to keep their B kids.

The showcases are run by Legends (AKA Silverlakes Showcase) and Vegas, where the director will partner up with anyone. Nothing new here.

Good for them for pulling it off, but it is not the second coming.

ECNL will still be a better option then this. But to each his own. And DA may overtime be a better option then ECNL has been.

But this is no different then what these teams have already had, just with a different title.

It's a way to keep $$ at home instead of losing these kids to clubs with ECNL.

What people seem to be missing is that this isn't a "league" at all. It's not sanctioned by anyone. This is an exclusive bracket with selective membership being run by Presidio for the exclusive members in the bracket. You can't be promoted in to this bracket. You can't be relegated out of it and you pick and chose who you want in it. The word "league" is misleading.
They will play Presidio/SDDA until they get to the age of exclusivity and then they get to play in their own bracket where they have their own rules.
US Soccer isn't sanctioning this. They wouldn't be able to play National Cup is US Soccer sanctioned it and they made it very clear (the only clear thing in their otherwise vague press release) that teams will play National Cup. This eliminates US Soccer's support/sanctioning of it. The only way to play National Cup is by playing in a Cal South sanctioned "league". Which they aren't. Hence the Presidio connection. The other two gaming circuits turned down DA2 because it wasn't fair to the rest of the members in the league.
I hope Presidio members come down hard on this and stand up to whomever made the decision to administrate this bracket under the Presidio umbrella at the expense of the rest of their membership.
Next, Cal South won't sanction it because it's an "exclusive" league and not "inclusive" which is against their bylaws.
No US Club because that = no National Cup.
Folks this ain't a league. They can call it that but it's a bracket in a gaming circuit which they all already had.
IMHO, this bracket was created because the B teams (with the exception of Legends, Beach, RSC) are SO bad, their regular leagues were going to be too hard for these bad "B" teams and they needed a soft option so parents wouldn't get mad and leave.
There is ZERO benefit to this bracket of exclusive B teams. This is a pathway to nowhere. No playoffs. No DA, no national team exposure no nothing.
If your player was a DA level player, they would already be on the DA team.

This is the Developmental Players Division (not league) in Presidio Soccer League. By exclusive invitation only. End of story.

 

[ESPNANALYST]

That's great, but the DAs goal of identifying national teams players is only applicable to the top few in DA. Maybe I'm not clued in completely, but how is the instruction and training any different other than the extra day? It's the same coaches.

We have had a completely different experience in DA (which hasn't started yet) training vs normal club. We had a very too level coach before. We are doing film, conditioning, much more technical focused than before. All I can say is it feels different and I had no complaint before

 

[dreamz]

The b teams at other clubs should get together and create a league too. Why not at this point? Like Oprah would say- You get a league! You get a league! You get a league! A league for everybody!

My suggestion would go one step further.....all of the Presidio Clubs should get together and create their own "exclusive" division in all of the younger age groups where Albion and LAGSD need their teams to play until they reach the "special" age groups. So the uninvited clubs should become exclusive when Albion and Carlsbad need them for their teams to play and leave out the teams in those clubs since they can't be bothered when they get to DPD (Developmental Player Division) ages.

Or - the Presidio clubs should just leave Presidio and BT can run the DA2/Albion/Carlsbad Inter-club league since that's all they would have to play is each other.

We need to stop calling it a league and call it what is really is.

 

[Justafan]

Disagree my dd training thus far has been EXCEPTIONAL in the DA.
Like it or not a DA player will receive instruction and additional training someone in ECNL or. SCDSL won't get.

I would bet that whoever the coach is that is providing you the EXCEPTIONAL training now, if different from your previous coach, has always provided exceptional coaching/training. Thus, it is a function of the coach and not DA per se.

Regarding additional instruction and training, just because it's 4 days a week doesn't necessarily mean anything. Most girls by this age train 4-5 days/week with speed and agility and privates.

The real advantage is going to be in training with top talent day in and day out. And if you really think about it, it will be difficult for DA to be better at it than ECNL because ECNL had all the top talent concentrated in 8 teams.

 

[ESPNANALYST]

Is your daughter in the DA ?