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On the boys side it's different.

I have a younger younger playing as well and in tournaments you could clearly see how much influence MLSN has on which clubs boys/parents choose to play for.
I perceive this as well on the boys side, fwiw (although my son isn't at that level, so my perception might be skewed).

That is, MLS Next (academy teams) is the top tier, followed by probably EA, then either NPL or ECNL, depending on the teams. But ECNL certainly isn't the top tier in my perception. There are some teams in ECNL which are lower ranked than some Socal flight 1 teams, for example. The top players from our club have gone to MLSN academy teams.
 
On the boys side it's different.

I have a younger younger playing as well and in tournaments you could clearly see how much influence MLSN has on which clubs boys/parents choose to play for.

Big clubs on the girls side with ECNL would have all kinds of youngers girls teams. On the boys side they would have very few. The clubs with MLSN would have 3 sometimes 4 levels boys teams per age group.

MLSN staying BY could be a huge issue for Socal. Especially if a BY Socal alternative pops up.
Most people just play with whoever is closest to them until U13. Be careful judging what is happening with letter leagues based on youngers. Look at the trends of how things change at the club for teams/players when they hit U13. Do the players stick around, or move clubs? U14/U15 landscape is the key to evaluating youth soccer.
 
On the boys side it's different.

I have a younger younger playing as well and in tournaments you could clearly see how much influence MLSN has on which clubs boys/parents choose to play for.

Big clubs on the girls side with ECNL would have all kinds of youngers girls teams. On the boys side they would have very few. The clubs with MLSN would have 3 sometimes 4 levels boys teams per age group.

MLSN staying BY could be a huge issue for Socal. Especially if a BY Socal alternative pops up.

Instead of 12 months of cutthroat competition in the top team with 1/2 schoolmate if you are lucky, and yes, he is a trap player. I would much prefer to have 3 months of HS soccer as a break and experience true comradeship.
 
Instead of 12 months of cutthroat competition in the top team with 1/2 schoolmate if you are lucky, and yes, he is a trap player. I would much prefer to have 3 months of HS soccer as a break and experience true comradeship.
Fine, I don't think anyone (or very few) at MLS Academy teams really care about HS soccer though. Some might because they're getting a private school scholorship for playing on their HS team. But this is a case by case situation.

If you've made to the u14 level at an MLS Academy there's a very good chance you're going to play professionally for big $$$ or in college. Probably not worth risking to play against HS opponents.
 
The problem with the discussion here is that majority of folks don't realize that 5 months to a year does not matter to high level players, even at young ages. If school year vs calendar year would make a difference for your player, they are not a high level player.
The announcement put out by US Soccer basically said that, but put it from from leagues' and clubs' perspective.
 
The problem with the discussion here is that majority of folks don't realize that 5 months to a year does not matter to high level players, even at young ages. If school year vs calendar year would make a difference for your player, they are not a high level player.
The announcement put out by US Soccer basically said that, but put it from from leagues' and clubs' perspective.
Absolutly. Also, this in not what the trapped player problems are about at all. The problem is the incompatability with NCAA contact and recruiting rules for college.
 
This got a bit skewed during Covid, at least for us locally. Basically, AYSO was super liability-averse, and delayed restarting their program for about a year and a half after it was demonstrably "safe" to do so. This caused a lot of parents, myself included, who were looking for some way to keep their kids active in sports, to look at clubs, and the club registrations exploded as a result. See also the notes about AYSO suffering now, in part as a direct result of their actions a few years ago, when they prioritized their own liability paranoia over the well-being of the kids.

Our local club has never recruited from AYSO/rec, as far as I know; the exodus of kids to club was a self-inflicted wound from AYSO. It has only persisted and grown due to word of mouth, and bad feelings within this generation of parents toward AYSO, in my perception (it also didn't help that AYSO now requires 6+ different legal agreements just to sign up, and even more to volunteer, and has always treated parents like servants who should be grateful for any scraps, but while that is frustrating, I don't think it was the main factor here).
Sour grapes much?
 
Sour grapes much?
A little, yeah. All things being equal, I'd probably prefer my kid to still be doing AYSO Extra/United, and me saving ~$5000/yr more for his college fund, but I couldn't really accept another year and a half with him sitting at home playing on devices because some overly cautious administrators had the vague fear of "but what if we get sued".
 
A little, yeah. All things being equal, I'd probably prefer my kid to still be doing AYSO Extra/United, and me saving ~$5000/yr more for his college fund, but I couldn't really accept another year and a half with him sitting at home playing on devices because some overly cautious administrators had the vague fear of "but what if we get sued".
No because they fired your ass
 
If you've made to the u14 level at an MLS Academy there's a very good chance you're going to play professionally for big $$$ or in college. Probably not worth risking to play against HS opponents.
This is far from reality. From a typical U14 academy class, a fraction will make it all the way through the academy system, somewhere between zero and three players will land MLS or European contracts. A few will play USL and a few will play D1 college. There may be some cohorts that do better than this.
 
Agree pretty low numbers ever make it out of any academy and none make big money. Starting pay is 50-60k. My 22 year old admin makes 90k.
 
I perceive this as well on the boys side, fwiw (although my son isn't at that level, so my perception might be skewed).

That is, MLS Next (academy teams) is the top tier, followed by probably EA, then either NPL or ECNL, depending on the teams. But ECNL certainly isn't the top tier in my perception. There are some teams in ECNL which are lower ranked than some Socal flight 1 teams, for example. The top players from our club have gone to MLSN academy teams.
The EA teams around us are barely NorCal Silver level
 
Instead of 12 months of cutthroat competition in the top team with 1/2 schoolmate if you are lucky, and yes, he is a trap player. I would much prefer to have 3 months of HS soccer as a break and experience true comradeship.
Sounds good to me until I watch the kickball. All good if your kid enjoy/ thrives in that kind of play style.
 
The problem with the discussion here is that majority of folks don't realize that 5 months to a year does not matter to high level players, even at young ages. If school year vs calendar year would make a difference for your player, they are not a high level player.
The announcement put out by US Soccer basically said that, but put it from from leagues' and clubs' perspective.
Everything is a range. Even for high level players. It might not affect them superficially, but could be the difference between playing up 1 year vs 2 years. It could be the difference between winning and award or being selected All First-Team vs All Second-Team. Whichever level you are at, subtracting 5 months of youngest players and adding 5 months of oldest players will make competition harder. There is a reason national teams have cut offs and generally the national team at each age group is likely to beat the one year younger counter part by a couple of goals. There might be a couple of unicorns in a generation, but that's it.
 
No because they fired your ass
lol... I mean, far be it for me to hate on internet trolling and online abuse, but your comment doesn't even make sense. AYSO doesn't employ people (maybe some admins at higher levels, I don't know), and they certainly don't "fire" people; they beg parents including me every year to volunteer their time to make the program work. Just sign away all your rights and agree to the terms of these 100+ pages of contractual obligations written in dense legalese, and you too can have the privilege of serving at the feet of your AYSO masters. I even considered returning in a coaching capacity for Extra (as I'd been doing pre-covid), but the participants pool had degraded so much by then that we couldn't find enough players who hadn't gone to club to fill a team.

It's funny to contrast that with other sports, as a side note. There's an equivalent org for volleyball (USYVL), and they are still pretty good: inexpensive clinics and programs, no huge contracts to participate, just people trying to teach kids a sport in a recreational context. It's an org which still actually seems to put the kids first, and seems to prioritize that over other concerns. It's really jarring to experience how AYSO treats parents now, in contrast to how an org which actually does what AYSO says it tries to do operates. Of course, everything is local, and I can really only comment on how my local AYSO region operates, but I have been soured to it for sure.
 
lol... I mean, far be it for me to hate on internet trolling and online abuse, but your comment doesn't even make sense. AYSO doesn't employ people (maybe some admins at higher levels, I don't know), and they certainly don't "fire" people; they beg parents including me every year to volunteer their time to make the program work. Just sign away all your rights and agree to the terms of these 100+ pages of contractual obligations written in dense legalese, and you too can have the privilege of serving at the feet of your AYSO masters. I even considered returning in a coaching capacity for Extra (as I'd been doing pre-covid), but the participants pool had degraded so much by then that we couldn't find enough players who hadn't gone to club to fill a team.

It's funny to contrast that with other sports, as a side note. There's an equivalent org for volleyball (USYVL), and they are still pretty good: inexpensive clinics and programs, no huge contracts to participate, just people trying to teach kids a sport in a recreational context. It's an org which still actually seems to put the kids first, and seems to prioritize that over other concerns. It's really jarring to experience how AYSO treats parents now, in contrast to how an org which actually does what AYSO says it tries to do operates. Of course, everything is local, and I can really only comment on how my local AYSO region operates, but I have been soured to it for sure.
I was an AYSO coach for a couple of years. Overall it was a good experience.

I think it's sad all the training and classes + background searches needed for being an AYSO coach. Unfortunately it's all nessasary in today's day and age. AYSO is just trying to protect itself from the crazies.
 
lol... I mean, far be it for me to hate on internet trolling and online abuse, but your comment doesn't even make sense. AYSO doesn't employ people (maybe some admins at higher levels, I don't know), and they certainly don't "fire" people; they beg parents including me every year to volunteer their time to make the program work. Just sign away all your rights and agree to the terms of these 100+ pages of contractual obligations written in dense legalese, and you too can have the privilege of serving at the feet of your AYSO masters. I even considered returning in a coaching capacity for Extra (as I'd been doing pre-covid), but the participants pool had degraded so much by then that we couldn't find enough players who hadn't gone to club to fill a team.

It's funny to contrast that with other sports, as a side note. There's an equivalent org for volleyball (USYVL), and they are still pretty good: inexpensive clinics and programs, no huge contracts to participate, just people trying to teach kids a sport in a recreational context. It's an org which still actually seems to put the kids first, and seems to prioritize that over other concerns. It's really jarring to experience how AYSO treats parents now, in contrast to how an org which actually does what AYSO says it tries to do operates. Of course, everything is local, and I can really only comment on how my local AYSO region operates, but I have been soured to it for sure.
Wow, more bitter by the day.
 
The problem with the discussion here is that majority of folks don't realize that 5 months to a year does not matter to high level players, even at young ages. If school year vs calendar year would make a difference for your player, they are not a high level player.
The announcement put out by US Soccer basically said that, but put it from from leagues' and clubs' perspective.
I think the majority of folks here realize that the complaint about trapped players isn't that they are five months younger, but that at two specific grades, much of their team either goes off to play HS soccer for a few months, or graduates HS, so they are "trapped" without a team. It has nothing to do with relative ability, size, maturity etc... which wouldn't change whatever date gets picked as a cutoff.
 
I think the majority of folks here realize that the complaint about trapped players isn't that they are five months younger, but that at two specific grades, much of their team either goes off to play HS soccer for a few months, or graduates HS, so they are "trapped" without a team. It has nothing to do with relative ability, size, maturity etc... which wouldn't change whatever date gets picked as a cutoff.
I don't think many people understand that this affects the non-trapped players as well.

Fortunately, this is a couple years away for my oldest, but this is how I understand it will work (if there are others who have suffered through this already, please correct any mistakes that I've made).

During senior year, those trapped players come down and join the younger team. Those new players will increase the roster size, potentially up to 18+. What if the team was already at 18? Then the team is either making big cuts or it's going to 22+. How does a roster of 22+ work? Many of the players don't suit up for game day. If the team is lucky, their coach will tell them before everyone has to drive to that SD game. If they have a jerk of a coach, they might just get to enjoy a nice weekend vacation to AZ to watch their teammates play (but don't worry, the Papago Park hike is lovely, just go early because it heats up most days).

Trapped players get this awesome experience twice. Not only do they get to enjoy this setup for senior year, they also get to live it their junior year as well.
 
I don't think many people understand that this affects the non-trapped players as well.

Fortunately, this is a couple years away for my oldest, but this is how I understand it will work (if there are others who have suffered through this already, please correct any mistakes that I've made).

During senior year, those trapped players come down and join the younger team. Those new players will increase the roster size, potentially up to 18+. What if the team was already at 18? Then the team is either making big cuts or it's going to 22+. How does a roster of 22+ work? Many of the players don't suit up for game day. If the team is lucky, their coach will tell them before everyone has to drive to that SD game. If they have a jerk of a coach, they might just get to enjoy a nice weekend vacation to AZ to watch their teammates play (but don't worry, the Papago Park hike is lovely, just go early because it heats up most days).

Trapped players get this awesome experience twice. Not only do they get to enjoy this setup for senior year, they also get to live it their junior year as well.

Fyi, some boy ECNL teams have 30 players.
 
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