OK - game fixing. But only when the game is part of something bigger. I don't think a team has ever thrown/fixed the WC. But they may throw a game to get a better opponent to win the World Cup.How would that play out in a world cup game? Same standard? It's game fixing, pure and simple. They mutually assured the score would be 0-0. Spin it any way you want; not ok or ethical in sporting events (especially kids).
OK - game fixing. But only when the game is part of something bigger. I don't think a team has ever thrown/fixed the WC. But they may throw a game to get a better opponent to win the World Cup.
DD specific 2013 G19 National Championship. DD's team beats defending National Champions in pool. Winner takes top of pool, 2nd gets 2nd. Both go on. I notice several of their top players are sitting. I think they expected a loss and decided to take it knowing they could come around on the other side. We meet again in the US National Championship final. The team we play is different than in pool. They play different and have different players on the pitch. DD holds to clean sheet out shot 8:1 in final 90. We lose in OT.
My opinion is the coach threw the pool game because they knew they would go through anyway and preferred that 2nd route to the one that we took winning the pool. I still don't know which team was better. But they were the undisputed National Champions. #1 of 10,000 G19s. Kudos to them. Well played. IMO coach threw the pool game.
I thought so too. But it was as much a fix as mentioned in the OP. The prize was the tournament, not the game. "We are 1:1 in games vs the National Champs" is rather hollow.http://tournaments.usyouthsoccer.or...-Championships/Schedule/U19-Girls/Division+1/
After the first 2 rounds of preliminary games, the finalists were already set. The only question was which one would get first-place honors.
From your description, the other coach rested his players, and gave his bench players a chance to play a full game. Looks like it was a good decision.
I thought so too. But it was as much a fix as mentioned in the OP. The prize was the tournament, not the game. "We are 1:1 in games vs the National Champs" is rather hollow.
This may surprise you but in DD's case I agree. So how was it different than the OP case? I don't see it difference. The opposing coach in DD's case decided not to play to win. How is that different than the Carlsbad case? It all sounds like good coaching to me.Fix? The result of the game was immaterial - win, lose, or draw the final game was going to be Blues vs NASA, so why would they throw the game? As I said, the opposing coach took the opportunity to do good things. Did your girl's coach do the same? If he did, was he fixing the game also? If he didn't he was clearly outcoached.
This may surprise you but in DD's case I agree. So how was it different than the OP case? I don't see it difference. The opposing coach in DD's case decided not to play to win. How is that different than the Carlsbad case? It all sounds like good coaching to me.
I get it - I don't need to see the video, nor does E. While both of us often do not agree we have both been around this over a decade (or two). It does not matter. Coaches may choose to not win a game. Speaking for me, not E, I would not want my kid on any team where a coach would not do that to win the trophy (within the laws) . I don't care if they sit on the ball, fall down, or kick it 60 yards out of play to use time. I want them to learn the referee, learn the rules of the tournament and win it. It is nice they play good soccer, but if the rules make for bad soccer blame the tournament authorities, not the coaches.If you are posting on here saying "no big deal", then you haven't watched the game film.
I did, before it was taken down. There was an incredulous announcer, who counted 64 consecutive completed passes with zero pressure until they kicked it to the other team. This wasn't a case of not high pressing and playing in a defensive shell. Soccer wasn't even played. You could tell some of the girls were embarrassed and were not happy with what was going on. The coaches were silent. No adjustment was made at halftime. It was an embarrassing spectacle. The fact that LA Galaxy hasn't released a statement on this shows that they see nothing wrong. I'll tell you what, if I were a parent on that team I would have taken the next flight home. Even more disgusting is the contention that somehow this was a spontaneous event with no coach involvement, pushing the blame on the players.
This is not, in any way, equivalent to tactics on the field that may not yield an optimal result like resting your starters. This was a conscious decision to NOT PLAY THE GAME, and thus is an affront to the values of sportsmanship and fair play that underpin the game we all love.
If you are one of those people who shrugs off match fixing with the excuse that the ends justifies the means, then you are the problem.
I see a difference. Is colluding allowed? I don't know. It is specifically not allowed in cycling. The LOTG are silent on it. Does not bother me if it is not against the rules/laws. But it is clearly different.You don't see a difference between both teams colluding to improve their position, and two teams playing a meaningless game?
The result of the game was immaterial - win, lose, or draw the final game was going to be Blues vs NASA, so why would they throw the game?
The outcome did matter. That is why they both played to the outcome that mattered to them 0-0.I thought the outcome of the game mattered, is that no longer true? Regardless, it's an embarrassment they chose to basically sit down for 90 mins. instead of letting their benches workout and getting another developmental learning experience against great competition, play out.
The outcome did matter. That is why they both played to the outcome that mattered to them 0-0.
Because of fairness to the opponents they will meet later. They are supposed to run around for 60 min or whatever and get tired. Having a picnic made them more rested...."since we are not going to actually "play" each other, can we go to lunch and just mark our score cards at 0-0?" That way they could have put the responsibility on the tournament staff to approve their plan and they didn't put the kids in the awkward position of acting a fool for a whole game. If it was within the "legal boundaries" of the rules, why the act?
Because of fairness to the opponents they will meet later. They are supposed to run around for 60 min or whatever and get tired. Having a picnic made them more rested.
Typically in a youth tournament especially the semis are the are the hardest fought. Many finals have tired players, physically and emotionally.
These were U18s girls. They knew what they were doing. Many of their future college coaches were there too. If it was really an issue I don't think they would have done that.
No, I'm saying there is a difference between a tournament authority allowing a picnic vs putting them on the field. They could have sat on the field (although as a ref I would not have allowed sitting). From a tournament standpoint the prelim games should be played and finished. Just as a game that is 7-0 needs to be finished. Games with 7-0, 10-0 are not being hard fought either, if they are guys - their may be a fight.Wait, are you saying the game we saw on that video was played as if it was real and the girls got tired?
I thought the outcome of the game mattered, is that no longer true? Regardless, it's an embarrassment they chose to basically sit down for 90 mins. instead of letting their benches workout and getting another developmental learning experience against great competition, play out.