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happy9 said:
I know ECNL carries a lot of weight for many parents, and it should, they do what they do well. It's silly to think that the demise of the DA all of a sudden makes the GA a talent desert.
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It truly depends on the age group and region of the club. some clubs have some very strong age groups but not specifically strong across the club as a whole. In socal it seems that many chase exposure more than staying with a proper coach. AZ will be interesting as will TX and NV is to small and the GA club an ECNL club will always remain competitive. NoCal seems to have migration to ECNL from the rumors on the board so that hurts GA as that had some strong GA teams.
Who wins and who loses this battle is a crappy argument because only the kids and parents egos lose. Kids being the only important part of that equation.
 
vegasguy said:
It truly depends on the age group and region of the club. some clubs have some very strong age groups but not specifically strong across the club as a whole. In socal it seems that many chase exposure more than staying with a proper coach. AZ will be interesting as will TX and NV is to small and the GA club an ECNL club will always remain competitive. NoCal seems to have migration to ECNL from the rumors on the board so that hurts GA as that had some strong GA teams.
Who wins and who loses this battle is a crappy argument because only the kids and parents egos lose. Kids being the only important part of that equation.
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Smartest statement ever uttered. Flag/patch protectors cripple youth sports. SOCAL is it's own animal and will be driven by different things. There has not been significant movement of players in Arizona. Prior to the DA going away, there was the normal back and forth - coach left, girls followed. One year one club won, another the other club, business as usual.

Obviously if the GA doesn't hold it's own, we may see significant movement. Club/coach loyalty is important and so far that's been the path for the AZ girls. In all honestly, some clubs want to shed players, it's the business of youth sports.
 
happy9 said:
Better stated than how I stated it. There is always going to be resentment regarding a selection process for high profile teams. Elite youth sports are emotionally charged - you can never make everyone happy and someone is always going to fall on their sword if they believe something to be true (which may be true to them). Often times fit is considered over talent, and we are splitting hairs when it comes to talent. ECNL/DA/GA girls are already a small population when compared to their peers across the country. Hats off to every girl who was even selected to attend a YNT ID center.

Being selected one year doesn't guarantee you selection the next year. It's nice to have it on your palmares, but it doesn't guarantee subsequent selection. It's a hard pill to swallow for girls, parents, clubs, coaches if you weren't selected and you think you should have been selected based on physical criteria. Sometimes fit matters. The other school of thought is that there is a conspiracy afoot to keep certain factions out. If that was the case, then shame on the federation.
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What you're saying is not the reason for the resentment. The reason for the resentment is that the DA ensured an almost exclusively DA roster for these camps by design. Many deserving ECNL players were not chosen simply because they play in ECNL. USSF was not shy about stating this both publicly and to the girls themselves. THAT is why.
 
Dubs said:
What you're saying is not the reason for the resentment. The reason for the resentment is that the DA ensured an almost exclusively DA roster for these camps by design. Many deserving ECNL players were not chosen simply because they play in ECNL. USSF was not shy about stating this both publicly and to the girls themselves. THAT is why.
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I certainly am not going to question what you were told, heard, observed. My point is that not everyone is going to be satisfied, especially when adults are involved. I'm sure there were many deserving DA players that were not selected. There are likely players outside of the cool letter leagues that should have gone. I've never heard anyone say that the Federation was openly biased against ECNL but that really doesn't mean anything. I know parents in both leagues that had YNT attendees.

If/when the YNT programs is back up and running, they will still not meet everyone's expectations. Maybe this year it will be the GA parents that will feel as if their is a bias. I haven't sat down and done a detailed analysis, and likely never will. The slice of the population that goes to YNTs is small. For many it's a one time event but look great on their resume.

Oh the things we worry about..
 
happy9 said:
I certainly am not going to question what you were told, heard, observed. My point is that not everyone is going to be satisfied, especially when adults are involved. I'm sure there were many deserving DA players that were not selected. There are likely players outside of the cool letter leagues that should have gone. I've never heard anyone say that the Federation was openly biased against ECNL but that really doesn't mean anything. I know parents in both leagues that had YNT attendees.

If/when the YNT programs is back up and running, they will still not meet everyone's expectations. Maybe this year it will be the GA parents that will feel as if their is a bias. I haven't sat down and done a detailed analysis, and likely never will. The slice of the population that goes to YNTs is small. For many it's a one time event but look great on their resume.

Oh the things we worry about..
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You are missing my point and definitely uninformed about what was actually happening (the pissing match between DA & ECNL). Be that as it may, you are not wrong in saying that not everyone is going to be satisfied, but again, that goes without saying. You have to include the "cool letter" leagues because that is where the YNT level players come from. Just so happens they were only taking (with the exception of 1 or 2 and in some cases zero ECNL players) players from DA because that was their strategy in trying to get the best players/coaches/clubs to come to their platform and away from ECNL.
 
Dubs said:
You are missing my point and definitely uninformed about what was actually happening (the pissing match between DA & ECNL). Be that as it may, you are not wrong in saying that not everyone is going to be satisfied, but again, that goes without saying. You have to include the "cool letter" leagues because that is where the YNT level players come from. Just so happens they were only taking (with the exception of 1 or 2 and in some cases zero ECNL players) players from DA because that was their strategy in trying to get the best players/coaches/clubs to come to their platform and away from ECNL.
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Yet 7 went to England with the u16’s in Feb. although your point is clear and just, let’s not overly skew the data to better fit the narrative.
If you look at the u15 and u14 TC’s the ECNL participation increases (at least in SoCal).
 
Kicker4Life said:
Yet 7 went to England with the u16’s in Feb. although your point is clear and just, let’s not overly skew the data to better fit the narrative.
If you look at the u15 and u14 TC’s the ECNL participation increases (at least in SoCal).
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ECNL players who did not move to GDA were not called into camp because they had to defer to the GDA counterparts. Those words were actually said to players. They were taking only ONE side. Now those YNT who are staying GA, I hope you all don’t experience that BS. I have always said the best should be chosen regardless of patch or lack thereof. As for the U16 YNT just take note of what happened to all the coaches who chose only GDA players.
 
Dubs said:
You are missing my point and definitely uninformed about what was actually happening (the pissing match between DA & ECNL). Be that as it may, you are not wrong in saying that not everyone is going to be satisfied, but again, that goes without saying. You have to include the "cool letter" leagues because that is where the YNT level players come from. Just so happens they were only taking (with the exception of 1 or 2 and in some cases zero ECNL players) players from DA because that was their strategy in trying to get the best players/coaches/clubs to come to their platform and away from ECNL.
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Dude - relax and please don't tell me that I'm uninformed, hurts my feelings, and feelings matter, haven't you heard? I certainly don't walk the hallways of the Federation or ECNL I clearly agree with you that ECNL/GA/GDA is where the majority of the talent will come from, no brainer. My point is the non "cool" leagues also deserve a shot, and they usually don't get one , but that's the way it works.

But please inform me of the pissing contest, I would love hear all about it.
 
shales1002 said:
ECNL players who did not move to GDA were not called into camp because they had to defer to the GDA counterparts. Those words were actually said to players. They were taking only ONE side. Now those YNT who are staying GA, I hope you all don’t experience that BS. I have always said the best should be chosen regardless of patch or lack thereof. As for the U16 YNT just take note of what happened to all the coaches who chose only GDA players.
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They were gone before the end of the 2019 calendar year.
 
shales1002 said:
ECNL players who did not move to GDA were not called into camp because they had to defer to the GDA counterparts. Those words were actually said to players. They were taking only ONE side. Now those YNT who are staying GA, I hope you all don’t experience that BS. I have always said the best should be chosen regardless of patch or lack thereof. As for the U16 YNT just take note of what happened to all the coaches who chose only GDA players.
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happy9 said:
Dude - relax and please don't tell me that I'm uninformed, hurts my feelings, and feelings matter, haven't you heard? I certainly don't walk the hallways of the Federation or ECNL I clearly agree with you that ECNL/GA/GDA is where the majority of the talent will come from, no brainer. My point is the non "cool" leagues also deserve a shot, and they usually don't get one , but that's the way it works.

But please inform me of the pissing contest, I would love hear all about it.
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I am relaxed. I agree with you they should be scouting talent from wherever talent is. Period. They were not (as it has been widely discussed and proved), hence my reaction. There are pages and pages and pages on this forum that discuss the pissing match in detail. I suggest you go through those. It will give you some perspective.
 
Dubs said:
I am relaxed. I agree with you they should be scouting talent from wherever talent is. Period. They were not (as it has been widely discussed and proved), hence my reaction. There are pages and pages and pages on this forum that discuss the pissing match in detail. I suggest you go through those. It will give you some perspective.
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I'm sure outlaw, espy, eolt dude, and all my friends here would love a recount.......lol.........jk!!!! My one year anniversary is coming up too, so maybe a recount is in order. I was asked ((told)) to never post or talk on here or else.....lol!!! Some club hopper I am, huh? Like I said before, life is not fair. It's all water under the bridge. They used The List as "ynt bait" to get the top players to stay GDA or leave ECNL for the new GDA Philosophy. Players were told on numerous occasions you better leave that league for GDA if you wants a sniff into camp. Some players, ((not all)) were going for the list and that is ok. My dd knows she just didn't cut the mustard and basically knows all the others girl players on the GDA were just that much better and she and I are very ok with fact. She will now look to play against America's finest and that will give her and other players who felt snubbed some extra ganas in the tank. That's all one can ask for, right?
 
shales1002 said:
With ECNL players scrubbed from the “list”, next coach just picks up the modified list and keeps the cycle going. As @happy9 says, we can hope that patches don’t matter anymore, and the best will be chosen.
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Well, hopefully the previous NT coaches were removed, and the next coach actually takes the time to come to their own conclusions. Do they have the resources to do that? I doubt it...
 
chiefs said:
Well, hopefully the previous NT coaches were removed, and the next coach actually takes the time to come to their own conclusions. Do they have the resources to do that? I doubt it...
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That's a good point. What have they done with the fed scouts? Are they still there, with residual (mis)perceptions?
 
Giesbock said:
Players should wear unmarked jerseys and scouts should be sent showcases / regional camps that are far from their home turf...
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It's certainly not a perfect process. The YNT ID centers are local, administered by a host club, meaning they coordinated for fields and provided the opposing team for the age group being observed. The players don't wear club gear but of course the observing staff knows what clubs they are from. The host club is not involved in any way during the assessment - at least that's the outward appearance. From warm up to cool down, it's run by the USSF staff.

As to where some of the YNT scouts went to, some of them have gone on to become senior staffers on clubs in their local areas. A good example I guess to the San Diego area, would be Albion hiring Jen Lalor as their Pathways director and Assistant Academy Director. She was a prominent US YNT scout and former USWNT middie. She has a great pedigree and appears to be a good steward of the Girls game.. It's a good club with a history of success.
 
Hugh Jasol said:
Why would certain clubs put top teams in ECRL instead of GA? It seems like a disservice to the kids on those top teams to play a bunch of second teams from top clubs. Am I missing something or are the second teams playing GA making out like bandits in terms of level of play?
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Somebody take away this guy's Kool-Aid please. Brother you're missing everything. What makes you think GAL is even better than Discovery? Simi where are you, this is the whole DPL discussion all over again. Hate to break it to you, but GAL may be the 4th best league after 1) ECNL, 2) ECRL, a very close second, 3) Discovery/GAL, 4) GAL/Discovery.

ECRL will annihilate GAL and in my opinion can give ECNL a run for its money. You have Beach, Legends, Pats, and West Coast FC's top teams and then you have Surf & Blues' 2nd teams which are very, very good teams.

GAL has Beach, Legends, Pats, & WCFC's 2nd teams. Beach and Legends 2nd teams are also very good, but they are in a mix with many other "very good" teams. Pats & WCFC's 2nd teams are not as good as Beach and Legends 2nd teams and then you have 5 bottom tier former DA teams. These teams are probably in the "very good" tier of teams IF they stick together and don't lose player to ECNL. The kicker is City SC. If they stay intact then that's an excellent team.

Discovery has 6-8 "very good" teams. Look, my dd's are 04's and so we are almost out of this, but I can't sit by and let people just assume GAL is the second best league, just because the say they are and have a nice website. This exact same thing happened with DPL and I was proven right. So this is really for the younger parents out there. Don't panic!

So here's the deal. For any given age group in SoCal, you will have anywhere from 1-4 Elite/Great teams; 8-11 excellent teams; then 20-30 "very good" teams. That's our strength in SoCal, we have incredible depth. These 20-30 very good teams would be top 5 teams in about 35-40 States.
So ECNL and ECRL have all the Elite & excellent teams with the exception of City SC. But that's only 10-15 teams total. The rest are in the very good tier. Some of those "very good" teams are in ECNL & ECRL (the lower halves) and some are in Discovery, GAL, CSL, & SDDA.

You do not have to be in GAL to get college exposure. You can be in Discovery, CSL, SDDA, etc. and still attend the college showcases in Vegas, Silverlakes, and Surf. Look brother, I get that we all have egos, but we don't have to put another league down to prop ourselves up.
 
Justafan said:
Somebody take away this guy's Kool-Aid please. Brother you're missing everything. What makes you think GAL is even better than Discovery? Simi where are you, this is the whole DPL discussion all over again. Hate to break it to you, but GAL may be the 4th best league after 1) ECNL, 2) ECRL, a very close second, 3) Discovery/GAL, 4) GAL/Discovery.

ECRL will annihilate GAL and in my opinion can give ECNL a run for its money. You have Beach, Legends, Pats, and West Coast FC's top teams and then you have Surf & Blues' 2nd teams which are very, very good teams.

GAL has Beach, Legends, Pats, & WCFC's 2nd teams. Beach and Legends 2nd teams are also very good, but they are in a mix with many other "very good" teams. Pats & WCFC's 2nd teams are not as good as Beach and Legends 2nd teams and then you have 5 bottom tier former DA teams. These teams are probably in the "very good" tier of teams IF they stick together and don't lose player to ECNL. The kicker is City SC. If they stay intact then that's an excellent team.

Discovery has 6-8 "very good" teams. Look, my dd's are 04's and so we are almost out of this, but I can't sit by and let people just assume GAL is the second best league, just because the say they are and have a nice website. This exact same thing happened with DPL and I was proven right. So this is really for the younger parents out there. Don't panic!

So here's the deal. For any given age group in SoCal, you will have anywhere from 1-4 Elite/Great teams; 8-11 excellent teams; then 20-30 "very good" teams. That's our strength in SoCal, we have incredible depth. These 20-30 very good teams would be top 5 teams in about 35-40 States.
So ECNL and ECRL have all the Elite & excellent teams with the exception of City SC. But that's only 10-15 teams total. The rest are in the very good tier. Some of those "very good" teams are in ECNL & ECRL (the lower halves) and some are in Discovery, GAL, CSL, & SDDA.

You do not have to be in GAL to get college exposure. You can be in Discovery, CSL, SDDA, etc. and still attend the college showcases in Vegas, Silverlakes, and Surf. Look brother, I get that we all have egos, but we don't have to put another league down to prop ourselves up.
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