Early SW Conference 2017-2018 Outlook Discussion

shales1002 said:
Great question @pooka . @Desert Hound thats ALOT of travel. Have they given cost estimates?
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Cost estimates are few and far between.

To be honest there has not been a lot of info given out.

I can tell you most recently...as it relates to DA2, DPL or whatever you want to call it....They are now talking about the fact that they will be doing the state leagues/far west regional league...in addition to playing the CA teams in the DPL created league. That is the latest word. Still not 100% though from what they are telling parents.
 
pooka said:
Sereno has been on the struggle bus for a while though right?

Is your DD at del sol? How do you feel about all the travel and restrictions with DA? As a smaller market do you feel she will get the best exposure with DA?
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As it relates to Sereno...

First off. I do not have a kid at Sereno.

They do however seem to have hired the right guy to run the club. A guy named Brent Erwin.

He has been with the club now for roughly less than 2 months. In that time they have moved out some coaches who do not belong. More importantly he has been going after and getting some of the better coaches in the Valley.

They also have signed a deal with Real Salt Lake. In theory it is a line to the MLS (vaporware). The reality is that it is good marketing for the club (the club needs good marketing). The other reality is that they have at least 1 coach from that MLS club now coaching at Sereno.

For a club that has been on the downswing over the past 4-6 years...it sure seems like they have the right guy to right the ship.

He seems rather aggressive and it seems he knows a lot of people. There is a buzz being created.

Time will tell if he can right the ship. In AZ, Sereno is the only club with boys and girls ECNL. del Sol of course has girls DA. The rest of the clubs in AZ (3 others in addition to Sereno) have boys ECNL.
 
pooka said:
@Desert Hound do you think that Blackhawks will go after ECNL on the girls side? and I'm glad to hear that Sereno is making some changes
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I know the Blackhawks desperately want ECNL for the girls side.

They are probably the biggest club now in AZ (not probably).

What drives them crazy is the following.

They have the biggest rec league.

The rec league is a great mechanism to get players into the competitive side.

They do very well at the younger ages.

At u14 and above they lose A LOT of players who move to the ECNL (del Sol and Sereno). Going forward it will be DA (del Sol) and ECNL (Sereno).

They still have some very good teams at the older ages...but quite frankly the very best have moved on at U14 and above. That said on the state level even at older ages they still do rather well. But if your DD is good...you want to play at the higher levels. Up until this year it has been ECNL with del Sol and Sereno. Going forward it is DA with del Sol and ECNL with Sereno.

Getting boys ECNL is the first step for them. At some point they need/want the girls side of that equation. The missing piece of the puzzle for them is the girls ECNL.
 
Well...I am sure the Blackhawks want ECNL more than ever now.

Their 04 girls team 1 lost 12 players. In AZ tryouts start May 1. 3-4 went DA. 5 went ECNL...and 3 others went to other teams.

In the 03 group I hear 6-7 went ENCL. At least 3 went DA as well.

There was some movement at the 05 age group as well to ECNL since now ECNL is starting a year earlier.

Blackhawks cannot be happy right now the del Sol or Sereno.
 
Question for CA.

When do clubs do tryouts for ECNL teams?

What tournaments do they tend to do prior to the start of the ECNL season.

In AZ tryouts are held in May. They are concluded now.

We will do another week and a half of training and then call it till roughly the beginning of Aug.
 
Desert Hound said:
Question for CA.

When do clubs do tryouts for ECNL teams?

What tournaments do they tend to do prior to the start of the ECNL season.

In AZ tryouts are held in May. They are concluded now.

We will do another week and a half of training and then call it till roughly the beginning of Aug.
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Most of "tryouts" have been going on for the past month. Arsenal is doing theirs this week, there are several announcements for Strikers and other clubs all over the forum for mid May and early May
 
Desert Hound said:
Question for CA.

When do clubs do tryouts for ECNL teams?

What tournaments do they tend to do prior to the start of the ECNL season.

In AZ tryouts are held in May. They are concluded now.

We will do another week and a half of training and then call it till roughly the beginning of Aug.
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Interesting that you guys have down time. Vegas we practice in the late evening 730/8 when it's only 95 degrees .
 
shales1002 said:
Interesting that you guys have down time. Vegas we practice in the late evening 730/8 when it's only 95 degrees .
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I guess part of it is the heat...and the other part is many people simply leave for weeks during the summer months.

It makes it tough though towards the end of Aug when we start playing our first games vs So Cal teams who have been practicing all summer. By that time, as a team we have practiced together not long at all. 6 practices between now and the beginning of June...and then starting again Aug 7 give or take.

After tryouts this year, my DD has moved clubs. Her new team has players from 6 different teams (del Sol, Sereno, Phx Premier, Blackhawks, CCV and one from a team in Utah) now on it. It will take some time for them to get used to playing with each other.
 
Desert Hound said:
I guess part of it is the heat...and the other part is many people simply leave for weeks during the summer months.

It makes it tough though towards the end of Aug when we start playing our first games vs So Cal teams who have been practicing all summer. By that time, as a team we have practiced together not long at all. 6 practices between now and the beginning of June...and then starting again Aug 7 give or take.

After tryouts this year, my DD has moved clubs. Her new team has players from 6 different teams (del Sol, Sereno, Phx Premier, Blackhawks, CCV and one from a team in Utah) now on it. It will take some time for them to get used to playing with each other.
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Curious if your DD is GDA, ECNL or other for 2017-2018 season?
 
GoWest said:
Curious if your DD is GDA, ECNL or other for 2017-2018 season?
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This season that just finished up she was on the Blackhawks.

She just accepted an ECNL offer with Sereno within past week or so.

Needless to say I am curious as to how the season will turn out.

Sereno over the past few years has had issues. They brought in a new guy to run in a few months ago...who is starting to pull in good coaches from around Phx. Contrast that vs the outflow they had under the old guy.

I BELIEVE that previously Sereno was mainly promoting players from within to their ECNL squads...hence their poor performances.

At the U14 age group for next year there is a mix of girls from other clubs. From my understanding there has been an inflow into the 03 age group as well (they did not do well at all this year).

My daughter is looking forward to playing with a new club and playing against stiffer competition this coming year.
 
Desert Hound said:
This season that just finished up she was on the Blackhawks.

She just accepted an ECNL offer with Sereno within past week or so.

Needless to say I am curious as to how the season will turn out.

Sereno over the past few years has had issues. They brought in a new guy to run in a few months ago...who is starting to pull in good coaches from around Phx. Contrast that vs the outflow they had under the old guy.

I BELIEVE that previously Sereno was mainly promoting players from within to their ECNL squads...hence their poor performances.

At the U14 age group for next year there is a mix of girls from other clubs. From my understanding there has been an inflow into the 03 age group as well (they did not do well at all this year).

My daughter is looking forward to playing with a new club and playing against stiffer competition this coming year.
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Congratulations! ECNL is such a well run league that will provide your DD with some fantastic opportunities! Hoping for only the best for your DD and her soccer journey into the 2017-2018 ECNL season.
 
GoWest said:
Congratulations! ECNL is such a well run league that will provide your DD with some fantastic opportunities! Hoping for only the best for your DD and her soccer journey into the 2017-2018 ECNL season.
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I appreciate it. She is very excited about being in the ECNL.

More importantly I think she is already liking the girls. I asked her once what she liked best about soccer...and she said being on a team. I was expecting something else...but actually her response was the best one as I reflected upon it.
 
Desert Hound said:
This season that just finished up she was on the Blackhawks.

She just accepted an ECNL offer with Sereno within past week or so.

Needless to say I am curious as to how the season will turn out.

Sereno over the past few years has had issues. They brought in a new guy to run in a few months ago...who is starting to pull in good coaches from around Phx. Contrast that vs the outflow they had under the old guy.

I BELIEVE that previously Sereno was mainly promoting players from within to their ECNL squads...hence their poor performances.

At the U14 age group for next year there is a mix of girls from other clubs. From my understanding there has been an inflow into the 03 age group as well (they did not do well at all this year).

My daughter is looking forward to playing with a new club and playing against stiffer competition this coming year.
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I hope that the new guy at Sereno can really turn things around. My DD guest played with the 03 Sereno team for a while, they deserve to have some success. Good luck to your DD this year. Where did your YNT defender go?
 
pooka said:
I hope that the new guy at Sereno can really turn things around. My DD guest played with the 03 Sereno team for a while, they deserve to have some success. Good luck to your DD this year. Where did your YNT defender go?
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My understanding is she went to del Sol GDA.
 
jojosoccer said:
DA = A team
ECNL = B team
Best players will play on the A team
ECNL only Clubs (without DA)actually have a shot at a better record this year
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After some reading, talking to a couple coaches and DOC's, parents, etc., I think DA and ECNL will be on par for the 2017-2018 season. I initially thought that DA would immediately bankrupt the greater majority of ECNL but I jumped too quickly. I know, I know @MaP and @NoGoal. You chided me. Lol. Though I feel DA will gain a step in 2018-2019 season+, I now get the distinct impression that for this upcoming season the DA impact will not be as devastating for many ECNL teams / clubs. Just my .02

2017-2018 season IMO I believe it will depend upon more than just if a club is dual DA / ECNL. Who the DA or ECNL coach is? What the final DA rules are? What training opportunities, showcases, etc, does each individual player desire? And what about flexibility? DA "development player" designation looks to offer a sort of best of all worlds scenario especially for dual ECNL DA clubs? Etc. So @jojo I hedge / guess for 2017-2018 season regardless of DA / ECNL dual status

DA = A Team on many clubs
ECNL = A team on many clubs

Does anyone know if the Blues 01 ECNL team is staying ECNL? Is that possible? Can anyone close to that situation confirm?
 
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