DPL-Pilot Teams

Simisoccerfan said:
I would want to see this in the rule book to see how it is being implemented. Last year a DP only got six games and just has to play within the club on another team. What would keep the part time player playing all 6 either before or after HS? How could US soccer control that? Now if the DPL is implementing no HS that would be something totally different.
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Okay scratch that post. I see they now call DP’s PT’s on their website and they now get 12 games not 6. The new rule book still has the waiver process for private high schools but for the PT portion it says that will be published by 9/1.
 
dreamz said:
Another change that DPL clubs are keeping quiet is that DP's are gone. No more DPL players that were told they could DP on the DA teams. You should have heard some of the DOC's on the call squirming over that announcement. They are now referred to as Part-time players. Here's the kicker. To be a part-time player, you can't play high school even though you aren't on a DA team. DA teams have to have 14 FT players before they can add any PT players. PT players have to train with the DA team 1-2 x per week and can play in other leagues (like DPL) but the no high-school rule now applies to PT players so all those DPL players that wanted to play high-school and DP for the DA teams now are not only NOT on DA teams but to be a PT player they have to give up high school too (which was one of the big selling points for DPL). I'm not sure who wants to be on a B team and give up high school too but that will have to be a player by player decision but there are some SoCal DA/DPL clubs pitching a fit over this new revelation since they've sold one thing and DA just told them that isn't going to fly.
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This has been asked before (even by me, I think). Based on this new rule, it seems to be a more relevant question.
But why do we need a closed DPL league? Why not just put these teams back into Flight 1/Premier/Discovery?
If clubs like the DA philosophy of 4 practices per week, not playing tournaments with 2 games per day, playing more meaningful games, etc- Then just implement that on your own.
4 practices= easy to do
Tournaments= DA club’s should host their own tournaments for non-DA teams but using the DA format rules.
Meaningful game= play the Fall season. Create your own Spring league that has tiers like Fall. Offer some flexibility in scheduling.
 
timbuck said:
This has been asked before (even by me, I think). Based on this new rule, it seems to be a more relevant question.
But why do we need a closed DPL league? Why not just put these teams back into Flight 1/Premier/Discovery?
If clubs like the DA philosophy of 4 practices per week, not playing tournaments with 2 games per day, playing more meaningful games, etc- Then just implement that on your own.
4 practices= easy to do
Tournaments= DA club’s should host their own tournaments for non-DA teams but using the DA format rules.
Meaningful game= play the Fall season. Create your own Spring league that has tiers like Fall. Offer some flexibility in scheduling.
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Not sure what your trying to accomplish by asking a question that has been asked over and over and over again. The same questions could be asked of SCDSL and Discovery but I don’t see you asking that. The bottom line is that things change we all just have to roll with it.
 
timbuck said:
This has been asked before (even by me, I think). Based on this new rule, it seems to be a more relevant question.
But why do we need a closed DPL league? Why not just put these teams back into Flight 1/Premier/Discovery?
If clubs like the DA philosophy of 4 practices per week, not playing tournaments with 2 games per day, playing more meaningful games, etc- Then just implement that on your own.
4 practices= easy to do
Tournaments= DA club’s should host their own tournaments for non-DA teams but using the DA format rules.
Meaningful game= play the Fall season. Create your own Spring league that has tiers like Fall. Offer some flexibility in scheduling.
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Can we stop beating a dead horse?
 
Hired Gun said:
Many are speculating this is Blues last year in DA anyway...For a smaller club (no boys) the cost of DA is tough. Their best teams are in ECNL already anyway... Not sure why they didn't merge with one of the powerhouse clubs earlier...
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Out of curiosity how much more expensive is it to run a DA team vs an ECNL team. Both are travel heavy. Both go to showcases, etc. Does that one extra day of practice suddenly make it that much more expensive? Not trolling here...just asking.
 
Kicker4Life said:
Can we stop beating a dead horse?
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Sometimes you dont want to...:rolleyes:
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If ussda has decided to have a single age U16 band for girls good but then they not DPL "Pilot" anymore right.

DPL is a Cal South USYSL league and DA is not so teams have to be registered & sanctioned by one or the other.
 
Desert Hound said:
Out of curiosity how much more expensive is it to run a DA team vs an ECNL team. Both are travel heavy. Both go to showcases, etc. Does that one extra day of practice suddenly make it that much more expensive? Not trolling here...just asking.
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It is slightly more expensive. Here are some of the actual costs:

All are not specific to each club.

1. Filming of Games. Hudl cost if you pay for assist credits.
2. Field Costs - extra night of training, half field per team etc.
3. Coaches typically coach two teams or just one. Salary increase per team.
4. Registration for player card $50 per player versus $25.
5. Fitness program costs.
6. More home games. Field cost.
7. Some ECNL clubs do not have trainers at games, but I think that is not the case anymore.

Again the above do not apply to all clubs.

Registration per team is $5k in DA $1k in ECNL. But DA covers Ref fees and no separate fee for showcases like in ECNL. So I bet this is a wash. But some ECNL clubs make parents pay Ref fees as team fee.
 
Info said:
The DA is not the top league. ECNL and DA is debatable. But six of the top teams, including LAFC Slammers just left the DA for full time ECNL. That is quite a statement by those DOC's who played both leagues.

Why does everyone give the DPL so much credit? I am just curious. It is just a b team at the club. Kids who do not make the DA. How is that different than an SCDSL team? Serious question. Are people really falling for a new toy with a new name that acts the same as the previous version? Also, why is the pilot team this grand team to many on here? I know an '03 pilot team roster that is nothing more than an average SCDSL team.
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I agree with you on the DPL. Watch DPL teams time and time again get beat fairly convincingly at tournaments and in CRL by Flight 1 teams. I would have expected to see a better product on the field being DPL. Obviously that statement doesn't hold true across the board but there's are more clubs with DPL teams that aren't beating lower level (in theory) competition.
 
Soccer said:
It is slightly more expensive. Here are some of the actual costs:

All are not specific to each club.

1. Filming of Games. Hudl cost if you pay for assist credits.
2. Field Costs - extra night of training, half field per team etc.
3. Coaches typically coach two teams or just one. Salary increase per team.
4. Registration for player card $50 per player versus $25.
5. Fitness program costs.
6. More home games. Field cost.
7. Some ECNL clubs do not have trainers at games, but I think that is not the case anymore.

Again the above do not apply to all clubs.

Registration per team is $5k in DA $1k in ECNL. But DA covers Ref fees and no separate fee for showcases like in ECNL. So I bet this is a wash. But some ECNL clubs make parents pay Ref fees as team fee.
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I would add that ECNL might not be paying coaches training fees during the HS season.
 
Desert Hound said:
This past year in the SW ECNL there were more than a few B teams.

These clubs had DA and ECNL...Slammers, Blues, Surf, West Coast. And yes I know in a couple of age brackets girls stayed as team vs moving to DA. But in general if you were in the ECNL in the SW Division playing those clubs you were playing their B squads. And still they overall were some of the better teams.

Same thing I think for SOME of the clubs that have DA and DPL teams.

I am not giving DPL credit...just pointing out that B teams were in ECNL SW Division and will be this coming year.
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As stated before, if you play a weaker team you look like a soccer stud. It is only when you play against a strong, skilled team that you have a true comparison as to the level of play your team is at.
 
JoeZ said:
I am surprised to read this for you MWN, you are usually more pragmatic.

Only one year into it this DPL league sure seems to have raised some eyebrows and attracted a lot of attention and some resentment. There are clearly some people, seems especially in the IE who don’t like it and want to falsely project it to be a non-elite league. Funny thing is many of the people purporting this don’t even have players in the action any more.

Back in the past, it was much simpler and candidly better for our players. Top players played ECNL (which is still great) and could play HS without some idiots claiming they were lesser players for not giving that up and playing DA. That’s where we started until all this nonsense hit with DA, DPL, Et al..
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Interesting that the conferences that pulled out of DA and are all into ECNL, have made their former DA teams ECNL 1 teams, and their former ECNL teams, ECNL 2 teams. Says a lot, plus they get to make and keep all their money from their big ECNL tournaments.
 
Lambchop said:
Interesting that the conferences that pulled out of DA and are all into ECNL, have made their former DA teams ECNL 1 teams, and their former ECNL teams, ECNL 2 teams. Says a lot, plus they get to make and keep all their money from their big ECNL tournaments.
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Not so sure this is true... I know of multiple teams that used the best players from last years ECNL and DA rosters to form the upcoming ECNL 1 teams for next year. There are more than a few girls that were DA last year now on the ECNL2 rosters for next season.
 
Pitch pop said:
Not so sure this is true... I know of multiple teams that used the best players from last years ECNL and DA rosters to form the upcoming ECNL 1 teams for next year. There are more than a few girls that were DA last year now on the ECNL2 rosters for next season.
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LAFC Slammers is the only club in the Southwest that this would apply to. How do you know multiple teams that this applies to? I have yet to see any rosters posted so what is the facts that support your statement?
 
I think it is yet to be seen which will.be the top ECNL team at the clubs that have pulled out of DA and will now have two ECNL teams. Seems like it will be some interesting situations within clubs for DOCand parents
 
Lambchop said:
Interesting that the conferences that pulled out of DA and are all into ECNL, have made their former DA teams ECNL 1 teams, and their former ECNL teams, ECNL 2 teams. Says a lot, plus they get to make and keep all their money from their big ECNL tournaments.
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To be honest with you I don’t quite understand your take on this post (i.e. “Says a lot. . .). Says a lot of what?
 
Lambchop said:
Interesting that the conferences that pulled out of DA and are all into ECNL, have made their former DA teams ECNL 1 teams, and their former ECNL teams, ECNL 2 teams. Says a lot, plus they get to make and keep all their money from their big ECNL tournaments.
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What “Conferences” pulled out of DA?
 
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