DA and ECNL

Simisoccerfan said:
Maybe you got lice? I hear what your saying but my comment was directed out how people over react over one loss. It had nothing to do with the DA.
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@Simisoccerfan it wasn’t an over reaction, merely an observation. There is no way they should have lost to Portugal the first time. They picked great players and left the spectacular ones at home because they play ECNL. As I stated previously, when USSF is successful it’s because of the GDA, and when it’s not it’s because of all the bad Ecnl coaching from the previous year.

@SOCCERMINION is correct. Just come out it’s an official statement. Keep it real. Then people, IF possible, can plan accordingly.
 
shales1002 said:
@Simisoccerfan it wasn’t an over reaction, merely an observation. There is no way they should have lost to Portugal the first time. They picked great players and left the spectacular ones at home because they play ECNL. As I stated previously, when USSF is successful it’s because of the GDA, and when it’s not it’s because of all the bad Ecnl coaching from the previous year.

@SOCCERMINION is correct. Just come out it’s an official statement. Keep it real. Then people, IF possible, can plan accordingly.
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I defer to your knowledge of the players since my dd is older and you know the players.

I think it would be silly for US Soccer to make that statement especially for the entry level teams.
 
SOCCERMINION said:
The DA needs to just come out with an official statement that only Girls Rostered on current DA teams are eligible to play for a USSF National Team. This will cause a push toward there program of the type of girls and parents they want . GDA is here for control of Elite Girls Soccer, And rightfully so. They have one thing on their agenda, Making Better National Teams. They should not focus on anything else, I'd go so far as to also put out a statement stating that they would prefer Athletes forgo playing Collage and focus on entering directly into the professional Women's leagues. Playing in Collage will only hinder their chances of playing for the National Teams. They don't need girls that are not good enough to go straight to the Pro's or able to make the top National Team's. They only need to produce what 5 girls each year that are capable of achieving this level.
GDA is not here to make the collage game better , or make sure girls get a good education or make sure parents are happy.They need to get serious and focus on what they need to do. They need to make more Mailory Pughs who do not waste their time with collage.
Leave all that nonsense for ECNL or Whoever wants to focus on that waste of time.
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I sense your sarcasm weaved throughout....
 
shales1002 said:
It’s absolutely silly all the way around. We agree.
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You just cannot accept that the coaches picked other players over yours. It is that simple, and your bias understandable. It happens all the time, both that one's daughter is not picked and that some parents are disappointed. What is new in your case is the amount of bitching in a public forum, and your use of the DA/ECNL excuse. And to make it worse, your answer to the non-selection of your daughter is to disrespect the players that made the roster: "They picked great players and left the spectacular ones at home because they play ECNL" .
Since you have been bitching about US Soccer for the last few months, and knew how bad they were, why did you continue sending your player to the camps? Man up, be consistent with your opinion about US Soccer, an stop sending your daughter. And email the coach to let her know what you think about her. You won't do either.
 
SOCCERMINION said:
The DA needs to just come out with an official statement that only Girls Rostered on current DA teams are eligible to play for a USSF National Team. This will cause a push toward there program of the type of girls and parents they want . GDA is here for control of Elite Girls Soccer, And rightfully so. They have one thing on their agenda, Making Better National Teams. They should not focus on anything else, I'd go so far as to also put out a statement stating that they would prefer Athletes forgo playing Collage and focus on entering directly into the professional Women's leagues. Playing in Collage will only hinder their chances of playing for the National Teams. They don't need girls that are not good enough to go straight to the Pro's or able to make the top National Team's. They only need to produce what 5 girls each year that are capable of achieving this level.
GDA is not here to make the collage game better , or make sure girls get a good education or make sure parents are happy.They need to get serious and focus on what they need to do. They need to make more Mailory Pughs who do not waste their time with collage.
Leave all that nonsense for ECNL or Whoever wants to focus on that waste of time.
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I assume that you are being funny.
 
Avanti said:
You just cannot accept that the coaches picked other players over yours. It is that simple, and your bias understandable. It happens all the time, both that one's daughter is not picked and that some parents are disappointed. What is new in your case is the amount of bitching in a public forum, and your use of the DA/ECNL excuse. And to make it worse, your answer to the non-selection of your daughter is to disrespect the players that made the roster: "They picked great players and left the spectacular ones at home because they play ECNL" .
Since you have been bitching about US Soccer for the last few months, and knew how bad they were, why did you continue sending your player to the camps? Man up, be consistent with your opinion about US Soccer, an stop sending your daughter. And email the coach to let her know what you think about her. You won't do either.
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Not defending @shales1002 because she is doing fine by herself, however, with the results that US Soccer is achieving at all levels do you really think that they are picking the best players? On the U20 team there are players that don’t start on their college teams! The player with the most US youth national team experience on my player’s team comes off the bench! Have you been watching the U20 WWC? You wouldn’t be saying this if you were watching any of the European teams play. They have already passed us up!

Kids get the invite to camp the accept it. My player accepted an invite just to tell them she was hurt. US Soccer punished kids that skip invites unless they are confirmed injured. Lots of egos and nepotism. Do some digging of your own regarding the US Soccer staff on the women’s side and you will find some curious things. The 4 best US women’s coaches have cushy jobs at top universities and at least two of them have been offered the top job and don’t want it (one told me when I asked). Don’t make this about @shales1002. Her kid will be fine and hopefully will CHOOSE to be a legacy player wearing Blue and Gold! UCLA would be fortunate to have her!

That last part about emailing US Soccer was lame! I would love to give the establishment a piece of my mind but my kid asked me not to as they know that the federation is petty and would retaliate. Look at how Jaelene Hinkle is treated for having despicable views. She is the best US left back and should be on the team but they are too petty for that.
 
Avanti said:
You just cannot accept that the coaches picked other players over yours. It is that simple, and your bias understandable. It happens all the time, both that one's daughter is not picked and that some parents are disappointed. What is new in your case is the amount of bitching in a public forum, and your use of the DA/ECNL excuse. And to make it worse, your answer to the non-selection of your daughter is to disrespect the players that made the roster: "They picked great players and left the spectacular ones at home because they play ECNL" .
Since you have been bitching about US Soccer for the last few months, and knew how bad they were, why did you continue sending your player to the camps? Man up, be consistent with your opinion about US Soccer, an stop sending your daughter. And email the coach to let her know what you think about her. You won't do either.
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Did I strike a nerve? As I have always stated it’s not about my DD. Nor do I ever bring her up! My opinion has and will continue to be, stop playing games and pick the best whether it’s coaches or players REGARDLESS of league affiliation. This includes GDA, ECNL, Non affiliated! Whatever! Interestingly, US Club just sent an email stating as much. I’ve always wished the ALL the girls well and much success! I pray and hope they continue along their path of success and stay healthy. There are certainly some very hardworking and deserving players in Florida.

Did I bash the coach anywhere? Never! Read all my posts. Perhaps those selecting are just doing what they are told to do. Honestly, I don’t know! That part is speculation. People are just doing their jobs. They have a product they need the best players to buy into.

Whatever the case , I am able to draw conclusions based on press releases and there are ALOT of them.
 
MakeAPlay said:
That last part about emailing US Soccer was lame! I would love to give the establishment a piece of my mind but my kid asked me not to as they know that the federation is petty and would retaliate. Look at how Jaelene Hinkle is treated for having despicable views. She is the best US left back and should be on the team but they are too petty for that.
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Being consequent with what you think is never lame. Throwing tantrums and bitching because you don't get what you want while using your daughter as an excuse ("... but my kid asked me ..."), disrespecting players and coaches (the rostered players are terrible compared to mine, all these coaches do not know crap because they do not pick my daughter, etc.), and coming back to please those who are supposedly hurting you, is lame.
 
Avanti said:
Being consequent with what you think is never lame. Throwing tantrums and bitching because you don't get what you want while using your daughter as an excuse ("... but my kid asked me ..."), disrespecting players and coaches (the rostered players are terrible compared to mine, all these coaches do not know crap because they do not pick my daughter, etc.), and coming back to please those who are supposedly hurting you, is lame.
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Dude eat a bowl Wheaties and drink 5 cups of coffee. Then comeback! You seriously need a timeout.:confused:
 
Avanti said:
Being consequent with what you think is never lame. Throwing tantrums and bitching because you don't get what you want while using your daughter as an excuse ("... but my kid asked me ..."), disrespecting players and coaches (the rostered players are terrible compared to mine, all these coaches do not know crap because they do not pick my daughter, etc.), and coming back to please those who are supposedly hurting you, is lame.
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You are reaching now. Show me where I have EVER said anything negative about one of my players teammates. Facts are facts McFly. Not once have I bitched about my kid not getting picked. Dumba$$ if my kid had been healthy she would have been picked. But of course you wouldn’t know because you are uninformed.
You still haven’t answered my questions from my first post that you quoted. You are a transparent clown. Keep defending your position even though it is completely WRONG!

I never use my kid as an excuse. Soccer is her thing and I have always respected my kids wishes. That is why she is so confident and powerful and has done and will continue to do great things.

Nice try. Do better.
 
My two cents about DA and ECNL. My dd is going into her FR year of HS. Her former team won the U13 National Championship in 2017. She played 04' DA this year with the same team that won it all. At the end of the day, she wasn't invited to any national camps and no coach has told her she will. No feed back from DA scouts or coaches, only club coaches who aren't always telling you the truth. She decided she wanted to play HS soccer after she got back from NC. She didn't have the fun she usually does with being on a soccer team. The DA "team" was not the same as it was before. She prefers playing on a "team" trying win a championship (big mistake not having playoffs for the 04' DA this year) over the individual player trying to make camp. It's not her style or strength. I will say that if she was picked for one of the camps she would have stayed DA and worked hard to achieve one of her dream goals. She's not willing to sacrifice her time with fun things to do and her social life for a chance to be one of the few chosen at this time in her young life. I can't blame her. Besides, the YNT coaches picked 25% 05s in all the 04's camps and on top of that, SoCal is a tough place to compete to be one of the best forwards. The writing is on the wall folks (dad). Time to face reality :) She hooked up with an ECNL team that has a great coach and a very talented group of older players to help her get better and help her get what this is all about for us 99%ers........ A scholarship to the best college that fits her personality and game. Both leagues have great teams and great individual players. For my dd, it came down to personal choice, not whats a better league. My only advice to US Soccer is to not have clubs run Girls DA. In Socal, I would have four teams funded 100% by US Soccer in LA, IE, OC and SD. The girls who show talent, hard work and a commitment to be the "best of the best" can go for it. Way too much politics in club soccer and US Soccer right now IMHO! I will check back in next year after ECNL and give you all an update....lol!
 
Ellejustus said:
My two cents about DA and ECNL. My dd is going into her FR year of HS. Her former team won the U13 National Championship in 2017. She played 04' DA this year with the same team that won it all. At the end of the day, she wasn't invited to any national camps and no coach has told her she will. No feed back from DA scouts or coaches, only club coaches who aren't always telling you the truth. She decided she wanted to play HS soccer after she got back from NC. She didn't have the fun she usually does with being on a soccer team. The DA "team" was not the same as it was before. She prefers playing on a "team" trying win a championship (big mistake not having playoffs for the 04' DA this year) over the individual player trying to make camp. It's not her style or strength. I will say that if she was picked for one of the camps she would have stayed DA and worked hard to achieve one of her dream goals. She's not willing to sacrifice her time with fun things to do and her social life for a chance to be one of the few chosen at this time in her young life. I can't blame her. Besides, the YNT coaches picked 25% 05s in all the 04's camps and on top of that, SoCal is a tough place to compete to be one of the best forwards. The writing is on the wall folks (dad). Time to face reality :) She hooked up with an ECNL team that has a great coach and a very talented group of older players to help her get better and help her get what this is all about for us 99%ers........ A scholarship to the best college that fits her personality and game. Both leagues have great teams and great individual players. For my dd, it came down to personal choice, not whats a better league. My only advice to US Soccer is to not have clubs run Girls DA. In Socal, I would have four teams funded 100% by US Soccer in LA, IE, OC and SD. The girls who show talent, hard work and a commitment to be the "best of the best" can go for it. Way too much politics in club soccer and US Soccer right now IMHO! I will check back in next year after ECNL and give you all an update....lol!
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Forgot one more idea. Have both leagues go to single band and have a true championship game after the DA and ECNL crown their champions from each age group. That would be some fun stuff to watch.
 
sorry dude- not going to engage with you. The post was related to why players and parents might be changing clubs - truth, not my players individual experience
 
Simisoccerfan said:
Ok. It just seemed like you came in a bit hard and then were a bit hypocritical.
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No, not hypocritical. I call it like I see it when it comes to pedophiles and have no tolerance. Youth players are in a vulnerable position with a lot of demands made of them by the clubs and at the end of the day DOC's and club owners have to hold some responsibility for oversight over their programs and coaches.
 
National Council of Youth Sports - http://www.ncys.org/childsafety.html

Results of a recent study conducted by NCYS reveals that even though all organizations recognize abuse/molestation as a serious threat, only a small percentage have implemented measures to effectively combat the threat. Deficiencies were found in four primary categories:
� Education for employees, volunteers, and membership
� Quality criminal background screening programs
� Strict guidelines for the reporting of incidents
� Established procedures for responding to reported incidents

For the clubs that have had a problem like this have they evaluated or implemented anything going forward? It is a culture that allows for the opportunities of bad people.
 
shales1002 said:
Did I strike a nerve? As I have always stated it’s not about my DD. Nor do I ever bring her up! My opinion has and will continue to be, stop playing games and pick the best whether it’s coaches or players REGARDLESS of league affiliation. This includes GDA, ECNL, Non affiliated! Whatever! Interestingly, US Club just sent an email stating as much. I’ve always wished the ALL the girls well and much success! I pray and hope they continue along their path of success and stay healthy. There are certainly some very hardworking and deserving players in Florida.

Did I bash the coach anywhere? Never! Read all my posts. Perhaps those selecting are just doing what they are told to do. Honestly, I don’t know! That part is speculation. People are just doing their jobs. They have a product they need the best players to buy into.

Whatever the case , I am able to draw conclusions based on press releases and there are ALOT of them.
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The mail that US Club Soccer sent is in the message box below, in case anyone is interested.

Dear US Club Soccer member organizations, players and coaches,

Over the past few weeks, US Club Soccer has engaged with U.S. Soccer leadership to discuss multiple issues raised by the membership over the past year. We are encouraged by these recent conversations and look forward to working with U.S. Soccer and other affiliates to address these issues and begin to repair the increasingly fractured youth soccer landscape.

US Club Soccer takes seriously our responsibility to create a positive environment that supports our clubs and leagues in the development of players. In this role, we aim to prioritize the issues that most negatively affect our membership, understanding that some of them took more than a decade to reach current levels and may not be solved as quickly as we would like. Regardless of how long it takes to develop and implement solutions, we are committed to supporting our membership and positively resolving all of these issues.

The US Club Soccer Board of Directors appreciates your input. We would like to communicate to you our position on the issues you have raised and welcome further input on all of these issues through your elected board members. We will be working with U.S. Soccer and others to address the following issues in search of a better environment for our membership and in the game generally:

We support the formation of task forces with authority to collaboratively review, evaluate and affect change in youth soccer.

We believe there is a clear distinction between recreational and select soccer, including the motives that drive children to participate and/or leave our sport.

We believe players should participate in competitively appropriate platforms, but there are negative, unintended consequences associated with establishing those levels too young.


We believe in the importance and value of multiple pathways for identification/scouting into youth national team selection.

We believe that no coach or scout should discriminate against or put pressure on players that implies they will be viewed, scouted, or evaluated differently for national team selection based on league or club affiliation.

We believe players should feel free to participate with any club, league, program or organization without pressure or fear of retribution or discrimination.


We support the creation of objective measures of clubs charged with the development of players, based on the daily environment established by the club and not exclusively on the league in which they participate.

We believe clubs and their leadership should be the primary decision-makers in the structure and organization of soccer.

We fully support our youth and full national teams and will continue to assist their future success any way we can.

As your representative members of the US Club Soccer Board of Directors, we are committed to supporting your efforts and voicing your concerns. We are dedicated to making the game better for players, clubs, and coaches, and doing so professionally, honestly, and collaboratively.

Thank you for sharing your voice with us, and for being a part of our organization!

Sincerely,

US Club Soccer Board of Directors
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