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MacDre said:
I think I still apply under the plain meaning of the statue because my grandparents were born in the UK.
However, I do wonder how they are defining has “lived”on the territory. It seems this is a very low bar for someone that has valid passport to show they have merely lived somewhere for 2 years.
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Clearly reads that the player's grandparent must be born in the particular country, not the player's parent's grandparent.

Agree that the 2 year requirement is the one criterion that is controllable.
 
Yak said:
Clearly reads that the player's grandparent must be born in the particular country, not the player's parent's grandparent.

Agree that the 2 year requirement is the one criterion that is controllable.
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Define “grandparent” too. Seems ambiguous to me-clear as mud.
 
MacDre said:
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Not sure about France. I just know my wife’s family has strong ties to France. However, I suspect for example, that if my kid studied French in France for 2 years that she would qualify for expedited French citizenship due to strong familial ties.
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Familial ties? The French left Canada about 1760. Do your ties go back that far?
 
espola said:
Familial ties? The French left Canada about 1760. Do your ties go back that far?
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I’m not sure; but she currently has lots of family in Nova Scotia and France.

I understand Spain is not France but Mexicans or Colombians can receive expedited Spanish citizenship due to being citizens of a former Spanish colony.
 
MacDre said:
I’m not sure; but she currently has lots of family in Nova Scotia and France.

I understand Spain is not France but Mexicans or Colombians can receive expedited Spanish citizenship due to being citizens of a former Spanish colony.
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Really? how interesting...I never knew that. What about other countries, including central and south american countries that were colonized by Spain (if there are/were any)?
 
SoccerJones said:
Really? how interesting...I never knew that. What about other countries, including central and south american countries that were colonized by Spain (if there are/were any)?
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I believe it applies to ALL former Spanish colonies and Brazil. I think Diego Costa is an example of a Brazilian that qualified.
 
espola said:
Portugal does it too?
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I’m not sure. But most countries have a process where you can appeal to the discretion of immigration officials for citizenship.
I don’t think a talented Brazilian would have much difficulty attaining citizenship from Portugal. Maybe the issue has yet to be raised because most Latin American players have gravitated towards Spain.
 
dad4 said:
Portugal was part of Spain for a while, from 1580 to 1640. During that time, Brazil was Spanish.

Not sure that fact alone is enough to let me play for Spanish national team, but I can dream.
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The Treaty of Tordesillas in 1494, negotiated by Pope Alexander VI, awarded east-coast Brazil to Portugal. They eventually expanded westward since there was no real opposition from other European colonialists in the Amazon Basin.
 
Yak said:
That's not necessarily true. My player has 3 citizenships but not eligible to play for one of those countries under FIFA rules.
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My experience is with an under 18 player (minor). It's a formal application to FIFA that can only be prepared by a country's federation (e.g. FFA, FA). Solicitors do the application and they are only going to do it if the player has been on their radar and the youth nat team coach wants to select them for an international qualifying tournament or youth nat team camp. You have to show proof of nationality as well as living, studying and being connected to the community in that country for at least 5 years. Once they receive the application FIFA then contacts the other countries' federations and they need to respond that the player never represented their country, etc. FIFA reviews and then approves/rejects the application. The process took several months for my player. Not sure how it works for older (over 18) players (e.g. Sofia Huerta, Sydney LeRoux).
 
msoccerm said:
My experience is with an under 18 player (minor). It's a formal application to FIFA that can only be prepared by a country's federation (e.g. FFA, FA). Solicitors do the application and they are only going to do it if the player has been on their radar and the youth nat team coach wants to select them for an international qualifying tournament or youth nat team camp. You have to show proof of nationality as well as living, studying and being connected to the community in that country for at least 5 years. Once they receive the application FIFA then contacts the other countries' federations and they need to respond that the player never represented their country, etc. FIFA reviews and then approves/rejects the application. The process took several months for my player. Not sure how it works for older (over 18) players (e.g. Sofia Huerta, Sydney LeRoux).
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It seems that if one can show a blood connection they qualify and don’t have to wait 5 years. Looking at the evolution of the Home Nations Agreement, I think the 5 year requirement is only applicable to those with UK citizenship and NO blood ties to a particular nation.

The education clause

In February 2009, the Scottish FA's Gordon Smith put forward a proposal that would allow players educated in the FA's territory who otherwise had no blood connections to the nation to become eligible to represent the nation. The rule was ratified by FIFA in October 2009.[45]

In June 2010, FIFA approved a minor rewording of the criteria.[32] The introduction of the new clause allows a player to gain eligibility for a British national team if he receives five years of education in the territory of the relevant association:

d) He has engaged in a minimum of five years education under the age of 18 within the territory of the relevant association.
— Home nations agreement
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As a direct result of the clause change, England-born Andrew Driver became eligible to play for the Scotland national team in June 2012. Driver was initially only eligible to represent England's national team despite living in Scotland since the age of 11.[46] Andy Dorman, who had previously been ineligible for Wales despite living in Hawarden for most of life became eligible to represent Wales. He was called up in November 2009 and made his début for Wales on 23 May 2010 against Montenegro at the Stadion Gradski.[47]

The criteria for eligibility to represent a home nation is:

  1. A Player who, under the terms of art. 5, is eligible to represent more than one Association on account of his nationality, may play in an international match for one of these Associations only if, in addition to having the relevant nationality, he fulfils at least one of the following conditions:a) He was born on the territory of the relevant Association;b) His biological mother or biological father was born on the territory of the relevant Association;c) One of his biological grandparents was born on the territory of the relevant Association;d) He has engaged in a minimum of five years education under the age of 18 within the territory of the relevant association.
    — Home nations agreement
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In July 2012, the Football Association of Wales confirmed that Swansea City F.C.'s Spanish defender Àngel Rangel is not eligible to represent Wales due to the agreement.[4
 
MacDre said:
It seems that if one can show a blood connection they qualify and don’t have to wait 5 years. Looking at the evolution of the Home Nations Agreement, I think the 5 year requirement is only applicable to those with UK citizenship and NO blood ties to a particular nation.

The education clause

In February 2009, the Scottish FA's Gordon Smith put forward a proposal that would allow players educated in the FA's territory who otherwise had no blood connections to the nation to become eligible to represent the nation. The rule was ratified by FIFA in October 2009.[45]

In June 2010, FIFA approved a minor rewording of the criteria.[32] The introduction of the new clause allows a player to gain eligibility for a British national team if he receives five years of education in the territory of the relevant association:


As a direct result of the clause change, England-born Andrew Driver became eligible to play for the Scotland national team in June 2012. Driver was initially only eligible to represent England's national team despite living in Scotland since the age of 11.[46] Andy Dorman, who had previously been ineligible for Wales despite living in Hawarden for most of life became eligible to represent Wales. He was called up in November 2009 and made his début for Wales on 23 May 2010 against Montenegro at the Stadion Gradski.[47]

The criteria for eligibility to represent a home nation is:


In July 2012, the Football Association of Wales confirmed that Swansea City F.C.'s Spanish defender Àngel Rangel is not eligible to represent Wales due to the agreement.[4
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You daughter is not being educated in an English territory. Grand parents will be determined of those of the player not any other persons. You have said you want to come here and learn and then you do not believe it when people give you facts.. you are great . Do you listen to Jimmy Hendrix or do you hear Jimmy Hendrix?
 
vegasguy said:
You daughter is not being educated in an English territory. Grand parents will be determined of those of the player not any other persons. You have said you want to come here and learn and then you do not believe it when people give you facts.. you are great . Do you listen to Jimmy Hendrix or do you hear Jimmy Hendrix?
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I believe what was stated. However, I want emphasize that every situation is different and fact specific. There have also been recent developments in UK caselaw so the analysis presented above is not close to being dispositive on the issue.
 
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