CRL Play In

tor said:
It seems people have so much negative to say and will hide behind a screen name to verbally bash Coachs and kids.
I have read some stuff on here that I don't agree with but at least those statements had some validity, you sir are vomiting.

Lmao @ Striker17
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Tor--reading through your posts I am still not sure what the conclusion is here regarding the players on Legends-Riverside. As you have seen people on these boards can get very worked up when it comes to sandbagging or using ineligible/borrowed players (go read the whole Anaheim-Surf thread in the G2006 if you have a couple free days!).

Some people are just grasping for straws and use this as an excuse why their DD's team lost to a particular team ("they wouldn't have beat us if they didn't borrow player X from Club Y) but there are people who also have a legit complaint because these types of things do happen.

Just so there is no confusion going forward by anyone here--how many girls that played with Legends-Riverside last weekend will no longer be part of that team this fall?
 
Sum41 said:
Tor--reading through your posts I am still not sure what the conclusion is here regarding the players on Legends-Riverside. As you have seen people on these boards can get very worked up when it comes to sandbagging or using ineligible/borrowed players (go read the whole Anaheim-Surf thread in the G2006 if you have a couple free days!).

Some people are just grasping for straws and use this as an excuse why their DD's team lost to a particular team ("they wouldn't have beat us if they didn't borrow player X from Club Y) but there are people who also have a legit complaint because these types of things do happen.

Just so there is no confusion going forward by anyone here--how many girls that played with Legends-Riverside last weekend will no longer be part of that team this fall?
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BigAl10 said:
That was a great game to watch! To bad someone had to lose especially in PK's.
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Yeah, It was an awesome game. My daughter's team has played just about every top team in SoCal and NorCal in the past year, and I'd put that version of Legends Riverside that we played in Las Vegas up against any of them. They were a tough team to beat.

Here's an almost complete video of that game, in case anyone is interested. The video misses the first 10-15 minutes of the game, so it missed the first goal, but catches the rest of the game.
 
tor said:
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Ok, here's my take on this back n forth bashing. If these 3 players were originally playing for Legends East, then I have no issues. If, however, these 3 players were brought on specifically to sand bag CRL play in, then I have an issue. Should be clear cut on what "sand bagging" is here if that, in fact, is what is happening.
 
If they aren't going to be on the roster come Aug, you have to question the intentions of using them in the first place. That goes for ANY team!

I also know of a few other clubs trying to roster DA players from other Clubs to "help qualify".

Let the dead horse be and let's find another topic. Nothing is going to change what is done.
 
And they lost anyway lol! Praises!
Just spare me all the talk about what a great squad it is- find your own ringers and then come and boast.
 
SocalSoccerMom said:
Per Cal South, roster continuity applies to any 9 girls who were registered to the club last year. They don't have to be on the team that won Nat'l Cup or CRL. That is how those DA clubs are getting auto bids for their 2nd or 3rd teams. Of course none of this is publicly disclosed.
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Just to clarify - according to the CRL rules (2.10), roster continuity applies to the TEAM not the CLUB. For example: for Beach A/G to accept their auto bid, 9 girls that were rostered to Beach Arrache MUST still be on the roster for the 2017-18 year. It is not good enough to just be at the club - they had to actually be on the team that played in CRL last year. From what I understand, Beach has that since DA only took 7 of their players. The issue is - do the other teams have that?

What many are curious (worried/upset) about: Will CRL enforce this roster continuity or will teams like Beach be allowed to hand over their auto bid to Gouveia even though there isn't roster continuity? For those of us that had to play in - we'd call 'foul' on this. If Gouveia doesn't have 9 of Arrache's girls on the roster for 2017-18, then Gouveia should have been at the play in with the rest of us trying to win a spot.

Again - I only use this as an example - from what I understand Beach DOES have roster continuity - but I don't think all teams will and other teams may try to get around the CRL rules.

As for teams that finished 5-6-7th at CRL and were given auto bids - per CRL rules, they should have been at the play in to actually WIN their spot. If those are the rules, enforce them and play by them. Why make rules if you can't be bothered to follow them?

We can speculate about Legends Riverside - if 4 players from last year's team made the DA team but still came out to CRL play in even though they won't be on next year's team roster come Aug. 1, then that seems a bit off to me, but my guess is that CRL must allow for this if that is what they did. We didn't play them and I didn't watch them play so I have no idea how they look. I can only see by the scores that they are getting it done.
 
Buckyballer said:
Just to clarify - according to the CRL rules (2.10), roster continuity applies to the TEAM not the CLUB. For example: for Beach A/G to accept their auto bid, 9 girls that were rostered to Beach Arrache MUST still be on the roster for the 2017-18 year. It is not good enough to just be at the club - they had to actually be on the team that played in CRL last year. From what I understand, Beach has that since DA only took 7 of their players. The issue is - do the other teams have that?

What many are curious (worried/upset) about: Will CRL enforce this roster continuity or will teams like Beach be allowed to hand over their auto bid to Gouveia even though there isn't roster continuity? For those of us that had to play in - we'd call 'foul' on this. If Gouveia doesn't have 9 of Arrache's girls on the roster for 2017-18, then Gouveia should have been at the play in with the rest of us trying to win a spot.

Again - I only use this as an example - from what I understand Beach DOES have roster continuity - but I don't think all teams will and other teams may try to get around the CRL rules.

As for teams that finished 5-6-7th at CRL and were given auto bids - per CRL rules, they should have been at the play in to actually WIN their spot. If those are the rules, enforce them and play by them. Why make rules if you can't be bothered to follow them?

We can speculate about Legends Riverside - if 4 players from last year's team made the DA team but still came out to CRL play in even though they won't be on next year's team roster come Aug. 1, then that seems a bit off to me, but my guess is that CRL must allow for this if that is what they did. We didn't play them and I didn't watch them play so I have no idea how they look. I can only see by the scores that they are getting it done.
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The balance of Arrache's team that didn't go DA is on the Gouveia DAII team plus a 2 girls from Gouveia's team that played CRL with Arrache. Thus they have the continuity under CRL's modified rule for this season.
 
davin said:
Yeah, It was an awesome game. My daughter's team has played just about every top team in SoCal and NorCal in the past year, and I'd put that version of Legends Riverside that we played in Las Vegas up against any of them. They were a tough team to beat.

Here's an almost complete video of that game, in case anyone is interested. The video misses the first 10-15 minutes of the game, so it missed the first goal, but catches the rest of the game.
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It's my 2nd time seeing this MVLA team play and they look even better than the first time I saw them last summer. Your footage restored my faith that good soccer is still being taught to young girls somewhere. Thanks for posting.

At a minimum, the Legends of Riverside saga appears to be an issue of priorities. Congratulations to the IE Surf Bowling players & coaches for making the necessary adjustments and winning the group. Being able to POTB on the ground has its advantages.
 
@davin post the surf vs mvla showcase game again! One of my favorites..
Deanza and Mvla always the gold standard for possession based soccer. The surf game with Mvla was beautiful
 
tor said:
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I watched Legends Riverside play last season (including National Cup few months ago) - a very solid team - not a dominate team. However, Legends has a history of using other Legends players from other regions to bolster there team for tournaments - heck many of larger clubs do this. The question is did Legends Riverside use other Legends region players and guests. Just hearing "3" current players are moving on to DA - probably already practicing with the DA club - this is I believe allowed through the rules but ethical... The question "did Legends Riverside use other Legends region players and guests" should be answered. If clear on this - then great job and what an improvement from 2 months ago.
 
tabletop said:
It's my 2nd time seeing this MVLA team play and they look even better than the first time I saw them last summer. Your footage restored my faith that good soccer is still being taught to young girls somewhere. Thanks for posting.

At a minimum, the Legends of Riverside saga appears to be an issue of priorities. Congratulations to the IE Surf Bowling players & coaches for making the necessary adjustments and winning the group. Being able to POTB on the ground has its advantages.
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Thank you! We feel that we're in the right place, with the coach/club that has the right teaching philosophy and style for our girls. It's always fun when our team gets to test itself against the best teams in SoCal. It's a shame though that we won't be able to play many of the best SoCal teams in the future since our club chose not to become part of the DA.
 
TCD said:
Chose not to become part of DA? Do you know why? Are there other clubs that have chosen to do the same?
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In NorCal, all of the ECNL clubs declined DA and chose to stick with ECNL. DeAnza and Mustang were initally in, but both backed out. MVLA, San Juan, Santa Rosa, and Rage never were in. Davis Legacy SC, a very good non-ECNL club, was another club that was initially in for the DA, backed out of the DA after they were accepted in ECNL. DeAnza seems to have been also kicked out of ECNL even though they haven't officially announced it, after ECNL caught them trying to straddle the fence and trying to keep a foot in the door of the DA with their affiliation with a brand new club created just for the DA. You will not find DeAnza in either the DA or ECNL maps, so it seems that this rumor that they are out of both might be true.
I personally don't know of the reasons why these clubs decided that ECNL was the way to go and balked at the DA, but I've heard many different things such as cost, 4 practice days/week, restrictions for HS sports, teams that span 2 birth years, restrictive substitution rules among the things that made the clubs wonder if there was really any upside to jump from a known successful platform to an unknown platform that would be very restrictive. I don't know if any of that is true, but that's the word spreading among many families that I've talked to.
The DA teams in NorCal consists of 2 brand new clubs that were just created for the DA, and a couple of smaller clubs that have had mixed levels of success over the years. DeAnza's technical director, Deza, who was responsible for much of DeAnza's posession style of play left for one of the DA clubs(Earthquakes) in the middle of the spring season, leaving DeAnza a total mess. Their 04 team didn't finish out the season and forfeited the rest of their games. Deza coached the 04 Pre-ECNL team and I think 2 ECNL teams. It looks like many of his players, but not all, are following him to the Earthquakes, so they will probably be the strongest of the DA clubs in NorCal.
 
davin said:
My daughter's team(MVLA) played Legends Riverside at the Las Vegas Players Showcase in March. That squad is no joke. The best team we've played so far in 2017.
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MVLA team that won Surf Cup last year? Beautiful soccer your team plays. How did your game go with Legends Riverside?
 
davin said:
In NorCal, all of the ECNL clubs declined DA and chose to stick with ECNL. DeAnza and Mustang were initally in, but both backed out. MVLA, San Juan, Santa Rosa, and Rage never were in. Davis Legacy SC, a very good non-ECNL club, was another club that was initially in for the DA, backed out of the DA after they were accepted in ECNL. DeAnza seems to have been also kicked out of ECNL even though they haven't officially announced it, after ECNL caught them trying to straddle the fence and trying to keep a foot in the door of the DA with their affiliation with a brand new club created just for the DA. You will not find DeAnza in either the DA or ECNL maps, so it seems that this rumor that they are out of both might be true.
I personally don't know of the reasons why these clubs decided that ECNL was the way to go and balked at the DA, but I've heard many different things such as cost, 4 practice days/week, restrictions for HS sports, teams that span 2 birth years, restrictive substitution rules among the things that made the clubs wonder if there was really any upside to jump from a known successful platform to an unknown platform that would be very restrictive. I don't know if any of that is true, but that's the word spreading among many families that I've talked to.
The DA teams in NorCal consists of 2 brand new clubs that were just created for the DA, and a couple of smaller clubs that have had mixed levels of success over the years. DeAnza's technical director, Deza, who was responsible for much of DeAnza's posession style of play left for one of the DA clubs(Earthquakes) in the middle of the spring season, leaving DeAnza a total mess. Their 04 team didn't finish out the season and forfeited the rest of their games. Deza coached the 04 Pre-ECNL team and I think 2 ECNL teams. It looks like many of his players, but not all, are following him to the Earthquakes, so they will probably be the strongest of the DA clubs in NorCal.
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Did the Nor Cal clubs get together and collectively decide to skip DA this year? Do the Nor Cal clubs typically "get along" and look out for the greater good?
Seems that in So Cal every club has had some sort of beef with another club and is not interested in making decisions together.
 
ladoctorr said:
MVLA team that won Surf Cup last year? Beautiful soccer your team plays. How did your game go with Legends Riverside?
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Thank You! Yes, the same MVLA team that won Surf.
The game was 3-3 at the end of regulation and MVLA won on penalty kicks. MVLA had most of the posession, but Legends was dangerous on the counter attack. They had one great striker who scored 2 goals on the counter. That girl is a beast(in a good way). What I liked about their team is that even though MVLA controlled most of the action with their possession game and Riverside got behind twice 1-0 and 3-1, Riverside never panicked and always battled back. A lot of times, when we're up like that and making teams chase, the other teams start panicking and playing kickball. Riverside never did that, they played calmly and made purposeful passes even when they were down on the score and under a lot of pressure. We were very impressed with their team.
 
timbuck said:
Did the Nor Cal clubs get together and collectively decide to skip DA this year? Do the Nor Cal clubs typically "get along" and look out for the greater good?
Seems that in So Cal every club has had some sort of beef with another club and is not interested in making decisions together.
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The way I read it, but I could be wrong, ECNL made the clubs in NorCal decide between DA and ECNL. We don't have clubs as successful as Surf or SoCal Blues, so ECNL was unwilling to let any of the NorCal do both. The clubs decided at different points that joining the DA with all those restrictions was too risky and too much of an unkown if that mean losing their ECNL affiliation, which they were all happy with.
Some clubs have beef with other, but I don't think it's as bad here as it is in SoCal. The only club that is generally disliked is DeAnza.
 
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