College Entrance Scam includes former Yale Women's Soccer Coach

Supermodel56 said:
Umm.... nice try, except I’m not white... maybe you should forever link this post so you can remind yourself just how ignorant you are.

Quit drinking the liberal koolaid and start thinking critically for once, will ya?
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Liberals are and always have been the party of racism.
KKK
FDR
Civil War
 
Sheriff Joe said:
What could be more fair than the SAT?
Everyone takes the same test at the same time.
Maybe you should tell these People who want this carve out to hit the books.
Anyone who thinks this is anything other than affirmative action needs their head examined.
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Guess what genius, there’s no race involved whatsoever. And this is nothing more than most schools do already. And guess what, if there is any benefit, Trump’s base will benefit. You’ll be surprised how much I’m common Trump’s base, disenfranchised white people, have with people of color.

Believe it or not, that rural white kid from Mississippi from a single parent home whose mother is unemployed or hooked on opiates has many of the same disadvantages as an inner city kid with similar circumstances. And nobody is saying it can’t be done, it’s just harder.
 
Sheriff Joe said:
Raising victims isn't the answer.
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Well Trump’s base sure thinks it is. “Yeah it’s that undocumented gardener busting his ass in 100 degree heat that’s the cause of all my problems.” Why are there no white kids at the spelling bee? Who’s stopping them from busting their ass like the Indian-American kids? Again, get off your lazy boy, and put down those fried twinkies!
 
Sheriff Joe said:
What could be more fair than the SAT?
Everyone takes the same test at the same time.
Maybe you should tell these People who want this carve out to hit the books.
Anyone who thinks this is anything other than affirmative action needs their head examined.
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This thread now officially belongs in the "kitchen"......for those of you old timer on the forum!

SAT is not fair, per sa, in the absolute terms. But no test is, neither is life so it is what it is.

Adversity score is reverse discrimination against middle class kids. What it says is that all things being equal, kids from one of the included criteria gets rated higher or supposed to get preferential considerations. It is affirmative action - agree.

Hope you were in a different time zone when you posted these comments...Yikes 4.45AM!!!
 
Sat is fair-

The library is free! With plenty of resources.

Can anyone tell me why kids from China and other countries can score higher in the English section than kids in the US?
 
mirage said:
Adversity score is reverse discrimination against middle class kids. What it says is that all things being equal, kids from one of the included criteria gets rated higher or supposed to get preferential considerations. It is affirmative action - agree.
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You are not being intellectually honest. There is no discrimination whatsoever. It just puts kids of all races, creeds, and colors, in their proper perspective.
 
Supermodel56 said:
This is asinine. Nice buildings aren’t going to teach your kids how to read and let’s be honest, access to books are not the real issue - it’s mentality. I say each neighborhood should fund their own. Federal funding should be a flat rate per head count - every kid gets the same amount, same treatment. Then, local funding should go to local neighborhoods because those are dollars coming directly from the parents and local neighbors. There is no reason your tax dollars should pay for my kids education and vice versa. If you want to support inner city kids, donate to a non-profit or volunteer your time - I certainly have and people should have a choice as to whether or not they want to support other people’s kids. Don’t like the kids or schools in your neighborhood? Move. Wish you could move but can’t afford to? The reality is you probably should’ve made better life choices - you’ve got no one to blame but yourself. but now it’s time to make the most of what you have. I know plenty of inner city kids who have made it out - there’s really no excuse.

At the end of the day, it’s the parents responsibility to provide for your kids, whether food, education, books, environment, or otherwise. It’s the kid’s responsibility to make the most of his/her education, resources, opportunities or lack thereof - regardless of what the parents do/don’t provide. And if they care, they can and will make it happen - just look at soccer - ever the poorest parents are spending $5-12k a yr on soccer, countless hours at training and private’s - and it’s not like the parents are dropping off, they’re sitting and watching, doing nothing. If they spent that time studying or even the cost of a few private’s for SAT prep, they’d do fine. Sure, expensive tutors may help, but you really don’t need that much to succeed academically and there are plenty of free resources out there, especially online and at your local library. Go into any wealthy school and tell them about how your inner city school doesn’t have books and you would be hard pressed to find a parent who wouldn’t buy your kids the books they need. More likely than not, you’d see the students start a fundraising campaign to raise money for your school. And yet poor kids and families resent them.

Access to resources is not the problem.
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I agree with most points. Its quality of teachers and teachings, not buildings that inspire and motivate kids to learn. While infrastructure of nice buildings and equipment and supplies help, it pales in comparison to teachers that actually care and want to inspire the students (I know there are many out there teaching - not saying that they don't exist).

It all starts with self will and motivation to want to get better and succeed. NOT entitlement mentality that says the government/others must take care of me.

Because of our modest success in life, we are now faced with negative adversity score - not consistent with the American values and way of life.
 
Justafan said:
You are not being intellectually honest. There is no discrimination whatsoever. It just puts kids of all races, creeds, and colors, in their proper perspective.
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And just what is that "proper perspective"?

The last time I looked, we don't live in a country that predetermine person's place in society.
 
Sheriff Joe said:
Liberals are and always have been the party of racism.
KKK
FDR
Civil War
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I wouldn’t know about that... I think most are very well meaning good people who want to do the right thing. But then they hear the activists and/or media and their intentionally emotional (manipulative) stories who will spin anything (lie) to achieve their narrow minded goal, not knowing any better they fall for it instead of taking it as a data point and then digging deeper to see the big picture in context.

Because liberals lack the ability to critically think, you’ll see them resort to name calling, one word blanket responses, blaming racism, criticize solutions without providing their own ideas/solutions. Or, the worst is they’ll propose solutions that make things worse.

Prime example, in this forum, they want to help the poor kids and complain about how they don’t have enough resources. They complain about large class sizes and not enough books. Yet, they are against stopping illegal immigration.

Let’s stop here: The liberal activist spin is that conservatives are against immigrants - that is FALSE. Nobody is against immigrants. There is a big difference between legal and illegal immigration. The keyword is ILLEGAL and conservatives are simply against activities that fall outside the legal system or manipulates it.

Why? The US wants to be a responsible country and as such, we want to make sure the resources are in place to support incoming immigrants - Medicare, food stamps, housing, etc... it would be irresponsible to let someone come into the country without assuring they will have a place to live, be able to provide for themselves, won’t starve, kids have access to school, won’t end up on the street, will have a job available, basic needs, etc... it costs taxpayers significantly to support this and that is why we have a budget and limit the number of immigrants. Exceptions to this process include H1B visas where companies take responsibility for making sure these folks are taken care of.

When people come here illegally, they are outside the budget - they still need resources, jobs, their kids attend schools, etc...

Back to my point - liberals, where do you think the illegal immigrants go when they come here? They’re not moving into upper middle class neighborhoods, not mine, nor yours. They’re moving into the poor ones. So guess what?!? You basically just screwed the poor kids you claim to care so much about. That poor kid who is here legally now has to share class ratio, books, Medicare budget, lunch programs, WIC, etc... with the kids there illegally thereby straining existing resources even more. It’s basically stealing from the poor. And guess what, those kids here illegally are going to compete for college entrance with the same poor kids who are here legally and trying to get out of their situation.

I’ll even venture to say this, the illegal kids are probably going to outperform them - why? Because they have a different mindset, they and their parents are here for opportunity and for a better life. These kids are much different from the kids who grew up from generations of poverty, drug use, etc... who have the mindset that being poor is their destiny.

So no, I don’t have any problem with illegal immigrants themselves as people, I don’t blame them at all, but they are stealing from the REAL poor kids, making it even harder for them to get out and for us to solve the problem of poverty in this country. They are also stealing in the sense that the government looks at the employment rate and assesses how many workers the economy needs and how many we need to keep employed - this is another factor in determining how many people we let in. These illegal immigrants are largely uneducated, so the first gen will effectively be stealing jobs from the same poor neighborhoods our own citizens that we are responsible for.

Just like giving bonus points for the SAT to offset poverty, allowing/encouraging illegal immigration is a bad solution that only creates new problems.
 
Justafan said:
You are not being intellectually honest. There is no discrimination whatsoever. It just puts kids of all races, creeds, and colors, in their proper perspective.
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Why do we need to be put in our proper perspective? Maybe the reason that some of us came here and have thrived is the opportunity that this country has offered us. It is about choices, and some of those are difficult but doesn't change facts. Like probably everyone else on this board, I can look up and down my street and know, because I have lived there for a couple of decades and know all the families and watched the kids growing up, what choices were made that lead to their station in life. Based on what I think you may have said in a previous thread, we may even be neighbors but I don't believe in excuses. Still came down to choices and I can almost guarantee, that my kids will not live in the same neighborhood that I live and will have much different life choices to make than those that I had to make. Different social economic station just means different problems. I don't usually agree with supermodel but I do agree that it always seems like middle class white people feel the need to speak up about racism and privilege like they feel guilty about something. Funny that these fakers only feel guilty enough to go overboard to try to convince people they aren't racist but never had a white lady offer to give my kids a ride to or from a game or tournament. All I know is that my kids better not start talking that trash when they get older. I have had to bust my ass and make unbelievable sacrifices for them to have the lives that is there in front of them now for the taking. If white people feel so guilty that they feel the need to talk about it, then man up and offer to switch places with them. Go take your ass to our neighborhoods and learn to navigate the crime and violence that we live with everyday. It would make me sick to look down 50 years from now and hear my descendants talking about privilege. I'll reach down from the heavens and smack the sh*t out of them.
 
El Clasico said:
Why do we need to be put in our proper perspective? Maybe the reason that some of us came here and have thrived is the opportunity that this country has offered us. It is about choices, and some of those are difficult but doesn't change facts. Like probably everyone else on this board, I can look up and down my street and know, because I have lived there for a couple of decades and know all the families and watched the kids growing up, what choices were made that lead to their station in life. Based on what I think you may have said in a previous thread, we may even be neighbors but I don't believe in excuses. Still came down to choices and I can almost guarantee, that my kids will not live in the same neighborhood that I live and will have much different life choices to make than those that I had to make. Different social economic station just means different problems. I don't usually agree with supermodel but I do agree that it always seems like middle class white people feel the need to speak up about racism and privilege like they feel guilty about something. Funny that these fakers only feel guilty enough to go overboard to try to convince people they aren't racist but never had a white lady offer to give my kids a ride to or from a game or tournament. All I know is that my kids better not start talking that trash when they get older. I have had to bust my ass and make unbelievable sacrifices for them to have the lives that is there in front of them now for the taking. If white people feel so guilty that they feel the need to talk about it, then man up and offer to switch places with them. Go take your ass to our neighborhoods and learn to navigate the crime and violence that we live with everyday. It would make me sick to look down 50 years from now and hear my descendants talking about privilege. I'll reach down from the heavens and smack the sh*t out of them.
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All we can hope for is our kids do better than us, no matter what color you are.
 
Supermodel56 said:
I wouldn’t know about that... I think most are very well meaning good people who want to do the right thing. But then they hear the activists and/or media and their intentionally emotional (manipulative) stories who will spin anything (lie) to achieve their narrow minded goal, not knowing any better they fall for it instead of taking it as a data point and then digging deeper to see the big picture in context.

Because liberals lack the ability to critically think, you’ll see them resort to name calling, one word blanket responses, blaming racism, criticize solutions without providing their own ideas/solutions. Or, the worst is they’ll propose solutions that make things worse.

Prime example, in this forum, they want to help the poor kids and complain about how they don’t have enough resources. They complain about large class sizes and not enough books. Yet, they are against stopping illegal immigration.

Let’s stop here: The liberal activist spin is that conservatives are against immigrants - that is FALSE. Nobody is against immigrants. There is a big difference between legal and illegal immigration. The keyword is ILLEGAL and conservatives are simply against activities that fall outside the legal system or manipulates it.

Why? The US wants to be a responsible country and as such, we want to make sure the resources are in place to support incoming immigrants - Medicare, food stamps, housing, etc... it would be irresponsible to let someone come into the country without assuring they will have a place to live, be able to provide for themselves, won’t starve, kids have access to school, won’t end up on the street, will have a job available, basic needs, etc... it costs taxpayers significantly to support this and that is why we have a budget and limit the number of immigrants. Exceptions to this process include H1B visas where companies take responsibility for making sure these folks are taken care of.

When people come here illegally, they are outside the budget - they still need resources, jobs, their kids attend schools, etc...

Back to my point - liberals, where do you think the illegal immigrants go when they come here? They’re not moving into upper middle class neighborhoods, not mine, nor yours. They’re moving into the poor ones. So guess what?!? You basically just screwed the poor kids you claim to care so much about. That poor kid who is here legally now has to share class ratio, books, Medicare budget, lunch programs, WIC, etc... with the kids there illegally thereby straining existing resources even more. It’s basically stealing from the poor. And guess what, those kids here illegally are going to compete for college entrance with the same poor kids who are here legally and trying to get out of their situation.

I’ll even venture to say this, the illegal kids are probably going to outperform them - why? Because they have a different mindset, they and their parents are here for opportunity and for a better life. These kids are much different from the kids who grew up from generations of poverty, drug use, etc... who have the mindset that being poor is their destiny.

So no, I don’t have any problem with illegal immigrants themselves as people, I don’t blame them at all, but they are stealing from the REAL poor kids, making it even harder for them to get out and for us to solve the problem of poverty in this country. They are also stealing in the sense that the government looks at the employment rate and assesses how many workers the economy needs and how many we need to keep employed - this is another factor in determining how many people we let in. These illegal immigrants are largely uneducated, so the first gen will effectively be stealing jobs from the same poor neighborhoods our own citizens that we are responsible for.

Just like giving bonus points for the SAT to offset poverty, allowing/encouraging illegal immigration is a bad solution that only creates new problems.
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I’m not allowed in this thread but this post is something special. You have a lot of self hate chica. You aren’t anywhere close to the real money yet you act like you are better than the “hood” that you allegedly escaped from.

Keep drinking the kool aid while they look at you just like the rest of the the “mud” people. You aren’t fooling anyone other than yourself. Let me guess you married into The man’s household now you think that you are one of them.

Sad.
 
MakeAPlay said:
I’m not allowed in this thread but this post is something special. You have a lot of self hate chica. You aren’t anywhere close to the real money yet you act like you are better than the “hood” that you allegedly escaped from.

Keep drinking the kool aid while they look at you just like the rest of the the “mud” people. You aren’t fooling anyone other than yourself. Let me guess you married into The man’s household now you think that you are one of them.

Sad.
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You sure make a lot of assumptions and accusations for someone who has no rebuttal and completely unable to dispute my argument with any facts whatsoever. Please do point out where my explanation was amiss on the net effect of illegal immigration in poor communities... or is name calling all you got?

I’m damn well proud of not just who I am today but where I came from and I can tell you this, sure life isn’t always fair, but unlike you, I don’t make excuses and that was the difference. Everyone has power over their own destiny, you can’t move forward until you let go of the past.

I’m more than happy to have an intellectual debate if you’d like, but as said before, anytime a liberal is called out, they claim you’re a racist, an Uncle Tom, bigot, repeat their sob story for sympathy, whatever... to avoid actually having a productive discussion or risk having to admit their own role in their predicament.
 
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