College Entrance Scam includes former Yale Women's Soccer Coach

Real Deal said:
Oh forget it. I was being sarcastic in the first place. But can't you see how it might be more beneficial to do something like providing free test prep services to underprivileged students instead?

Another option could be for them to hire test proctors who don't accept bribes.
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I think the overwhelming majority of test proctors don't take bribes.
 
Real Deal said:
Oh forget it. I was being sarcastic in the first place. But can't you see how it might be more beneficial to do something like providing free test prep services to underprivileged students instead?

Another option could be for them to hire test proctors who don't accept bribes.
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Providing equal education funding to all schools instead of basing their funding on their local tax base would be an even better idea. When inner city schools don't have enough books but the school in the neighboring suburb has a campus that rivals many college campuses it highlights the inequities in our educational funding.
 
Real Deal said:
I would hope in this day and age we could strive to provide equal educational opportunities for children in underprivileged neighborhoods. A rubric like this above pretty much gives up on that. Plus... exactly as Nefutous points out above, it then becomes unfair to "median" or even affluent families who chose not to throw thousands at test study programs and collge consultants- in other words it could serve to penalize those who do not crazily control their kids' lives.
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It doesn't matter now. SAT just announced that they will give an "adversity" score along with the regular SAT score. Don't know all the details but it will essentially take into account parents income, where the student went to high school, is it in a dangerous area, etc. etc. Anyone with more info please post.
 
Lambchop said:
It doesn't matter now. SAT just announced that they will give an "adversity" score along with the regular SAT score. Don't know all the details but it will essentially take into account parents income, where the student went to high school, is it in a dangerous area, etc. etc. Anyone with more info please post.
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Every article I can find quotes the WSJ or various university sources. No statement has been seen yet by the College Board, which is the organization that actually administers the test.
 
Here's an interesting article from a year ago about the impact of becoming "testing option" has on admissions (and the resulting class of frosh): https://www.insidehighered.com/news...est-optional-become-more-diverse-and-maintain. And here's a more recent WaPo article in the wake of the admissions scandal: https://www.washingtonpost.com/educ...lege-admissions-tests/?utm_term=.394e603887d3. (the underlying study is here: https://www.nacacnet.org/globalasse...ions/research/defining-access-report-2018.pdf).

You know that the College Board and ACT felt a deep chill in their bones when they read this: "Janet Napolitano, president of the University of California system, said in an interview last week that she created a task force last year to review the use of test scores in admissions." If UC drops standardized testing as part of admissions, the standardized test industry will be forever changed.
 
Real Deal said:
Plus... exactly as Nefutous points out above, it then becomes unfair to "median" or even affluent families who chose not to throw thousands at test study programs and collge consultants- in other words it could serve to penalize those who do not crazily control their kids' lives.
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I disagree with you and Nefutous, it doesn't penalize anybody. All it does is document where you come from and the typical advantages or disadvantages associated with it. Put it this way, if you are not working the typical academic angle, then you better be working on another angle to get into your school of choice. I think most of us on this board are working the athletic scholarship angle. So if you're not spending the 10-20 hours per week perfecting your soccer skills, you better be doing another activity or hitting the books for those 10-20. And that is great that most schools use readers from your area so they can decipher real shit from bull shit.

I'm not sure if you were being sarcastic with this quote or leading into an "affirmative action" type argument, but you bet your ass that if you come from an "advantaged" upbringing, you better score better than someone from a "disadvantaged" upbringing. I grew up in ELA and your damn right, if my dd's don't score AT LEAST 200 points higher than me on the SAT, I've been a complete and utter failure, period! They read more books through 5th grade than I did through all of high school and then some. If Bill Gate's kid scores a 1050, that is an utter disaster. If you're an inner city first generation Latino where Spanish was your first language, a 1050 score is very, very, good.
 
Justafan said:
I disagree with you and Nefutous, it doesn't penalize anybody. All it does is document where you come from and the typical advantages or disadvantages associated with it. Put it this way, if you are not working the typical academic angle, then you better be working on another angle to get into your school of choice. I think most of us on this board are working the athletic scholarship angle. So if you're not spending the 10-20 hours per week perfecting your soccer skills, you better be doing another activity or hitting the books for those 10-20. And that is great that most schools use readers from your area so they can decipher real shit from bull shit.

I'm not sure if you were being sarcastic with this quote or leading into an "affirmative action" type argument, but you bet your ass that if you come from an "advantaged" upbringing, you better score better than someone from a "disadvantaged" upbringing. I grew up in ELA and your damn right, if my dd's don't score AT LEAST 200 points higher than me on the SAT, I've been a complete and utter failure, period! They read more books through 5th grade than I did through all of high school and then some. If Bill Gate's kid scores a 1050, that is an utter disaster. If you're an inner city first generation Latino where Spanish was your first language, a 1050 score is very, very, good.
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I am merely suggesting that the root problem of bad elementary and high school education for the poor needs to be addressed-- it is not solved by just some asterisk by a kid's name on a standardized test.

Beyond that, much more can be told about a student -from any background- by an essay, an exploration of past achievements over time, or just a conversation, than by a standardized test anyways.
 
David Coleman is the president of the college board, he is also the common core mastermind.
Nut job.
Just another way to destroy the middle class.
 
Justafan said:
Oh, you poor little baby! Who’s playing victim politics now? Get off your lazy boy, stop eating fried twinkies and hit the f’n books!
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What could be more fair than the SAT?
Everyone takes the same test at the same time.
Maybe you should tell these People who want this carve out to hit the books.
Anyone who thinks this is anything other than affirmative action needs their head examined.
 
outside! said:
Providing equal education funding to all schools instead of basing their funding on their local tax base would be an even better idea. When inner city schools don't have enough books but the school in the neighboring suburb has a campus that rivals many college campuses it highlights the inequities in our educational funding.
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This is asinine. Nice buildings aren’t going to teach your kids how to read and let’s be honest, access to books are not the real issue - it’s mentality. I say each neighborhood should fund their own. Federal funding should be a flat rate per head count - every kid gets the same amount, same treatment. Then, local funding should go to local neighborhoods because those are dollars coming directly from the parents and local neighbors. There is no reason your tax dollars should pay for my kids education and vice versa. If you want to support inner city kids, donate to a non-profit or volunteer your time - I certainly have and people should have a choice as to whether or not they want to support other people’s kids. Don’t like the kids or schools in your neighborhood? Move. Wish you could move but can’t afford to? The reality is you probably should’ve made better life choices - you’ve got no one to blame but yourself. but now it’s time to make the most of what you have. I know plenty of inner city kids who have made it out - there’s really no excuse.

At the end of the day, it’s the parents responsibility to provide for your kids, whether food, education, books, environment, or otherwise. It’s the kid’s responsibility to make the most of his/her education, resources, opportunities or lack thereof - regardless of what the parents do/don’t provide. And if they care, they can and will make it happen - just look at soccer - ever the poorest parents are spending $5-12k a yr on soccer, countless hours at training and private’s - and it’s not like the parents are dropping off, they’re sitting and watching, doing nothing. If they spent that time studying or even the cost of a few private’s for SAT prep, they’d do fine. Sure, expensive tutors may help, but you really don’t need that much to succeed academically and there are plenty of free resources out there, especially online and at your local library. Go into any wealthy school and tell them about how your inner city school doesn’t have books and you would be hard pressed to find a parent who wouldn’t buy your kids the books they need. More likely than not, you’d see the students start a fundraising campaign to raise money for your school. And yet poor kids and families resent them.

Access to resources is not the problem.
 
Supermodel56 said:
This is asinine. .
Access to resources is not the problem.
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Wow. So the quality of the school has no bearing on the success of the students? You get no benefit from the educational success of other people's children that go on to become the work force that will keep society running when you are old? You are clueless and your privilege is showing.
 
outside! said:
Wow. So the quality of the school has no bearing on the success of the students? You get no benefit from the educational success of other people's children that go on to become the work force that will keep society running when you are old? You are clueless and your privilege is showing.
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Lol, it’s always the idiot middle class white dude who knows neither what it’s like to be rich nor poor who uses that line...

Dude, I lived in the ghetto when I was a kid, you have no freakin clue. I went back to visit a couple years back and drug deals were going on in front of the house i lived in in broad daylight. When I was a kid, my neighbors pulled a prank and dumped mud into the mail slot in our door. When my dad confronted the parents, they didn’t even have towels to wipe it up, they literally had to use their shirts and underwear. I witnessed first hand what it took to get outta there and making excuses because of lack of resources was not one of them.

The people who talk about privilege only do so because they have no idea why people are in poverty, nor how to solve it.
 
Supermodel56 said:
This is asinine. Nice buildings aren’t going to teach your kids how to read and let’s be honest, access to books are not the real issue - it’s mentality. I say each neighborhood should fund their own. Federal funding should be a flat rate per head count - every kid gets the same amount, same treatment. Then, local funding should go to local neighborhoods because those are dollars coming directly from the parents and local neighbors. There is no reason your tax dollars should pay for my kids education and vice versa. If you want to support inner city kids, donate to a non-profit or volunteer your time - I certainly have and people should have a choice as to whether or not they want to support other people’s kids. Don’t like the kids or schools in your neighborhood? Move. Wish you could move but can’t afford to? The reality is you probably should’ve made better life choices - you’ve got no one to blame but yourself. but now it’s time to make the most of what you have. I know plenty of inner city kids who have made it out - there’s really no excuse.

At the end of the day, it’s the parents responsibility to provide for your kids, whether food, education, books, environment, or otherwise. It’s the kid’s responsibility to make the most of his/her education, resources, opportunities or lack thereof - regardless of what the parents do/don’t provide. And if they care, they can and will make it happen - just look at soccer - ever the poorest parents are spending $5-12k a yr on soccer, countless hours at training and private’s - and it’s not like the parents are dropping off, they’re sitting and watching, doing nothing. If they spent that time studying or even the cost of a few private’s for SAT prep, they’d do fine. Sure, expensive tutors may help, but you really don’t need that much to succeed academically and there are plenty of free resources out there, especially online and at your local library. Go into any wealthy school and tell them about how your inner city school doesn’t have books and you would be hard pressed to find a parent who wouldn’t buy your kids the books they need. More likely than not, you’d see the students start a fundraising campaign to raise money for your school. And yet poor kids and families resent them.

Access to resources is not the problem.
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The government control of education isn't working.
 
Supermodel56 said:
This is asinine. Nice buildings aren’t going to teach your kids how to read and let’s be honest, access to books are not the real issue - it’s mentality. I say each neighborhood should fund their own. Federal funding should be a flat rate per head count - every kid gets the same amount, same treatment. Then, local funding should go to local neighborhoods because those are dollars coming directly from the parents and local neighbors. There is no reason your tax dollars should pay for my kids education and vice versa. If you want to support inner city kids, donate to a non-profit or volunteer your time - I certainly have and people should have a choice as to whether or not they want to support other people’s kids. Don’t like the kids or schools in your neighborhood? Move. Wish you could move but can’t afford to? The reality is you probably should’ve made better life choices - you’ve got no one to blame but yourself. but now it’s time to make the most of what you have. I know plenty of inner city kids who have made it out - there’s really no excuse.

At the end of the day, it’s the parents responsibility to provide for your kids, whether food, education, books, environment, or otherwise. It’s the kid’s responsibility to make the most of his/her education, resources, opportunities or lack thereof - regardless of what the parents do/don’t provide. And if they care, they can and will make it happen - just look at soccer - ever the poorest parents are spending $5-12k a yr on soccer, countless hours at training and private’s - and it’s not like the parents are dropping off, they’re sitting and watching, doing nothing. If they spent that time studying or even the cost of a few private’s for SAT prep, they’d do fine. Sure, expensive tutors may help, but you really don’t need that much to succeed academically and there are plenty of free resources out there, especially online and at your local library. Go into any wealthy school and tell them about how your inner city school doesn’t have books and you would be hard pressed to find a parent who wouldn’t buy your kids the books they need. More likely than not, you’d see the students start a fundraising campaign to raise money for your school. And yet poor kids and families resent them.

Access to resources is not the problem.
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Wow.

I give you props for owning this and not trying to sugar coat it. The ignorance and arrogance without even a shade of trying to make it palatable is refreshing.

I will forever link this post so when people wonder what white privilege is I can easily find it.
 
full90 said:
Wow.

I give you props for owning this and not trying to sugar coat it. The ignorance and arrogance without even a shade of trying to make it palatable is refreshing.

I will forever link this post so when people wonder what white privilege is I can easily find it.
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Umm.... nice try, except I’m not white... maybe you should forever link this post so you can remind yourself just how ignorant you are.

Quit drinking the liberal koolaid and start thinking critically for once, will ya?
 
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