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Lion Eyes said:
Yep, many years to replenish them....
Desalination plants instead of high speed rail...?
Perhaps the municipalities wouldn't have to use as much ground water.
High speed rail is not gonna be needed if we run out of water.
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I'm not the defender of the high speed rail project, but the EU and Japan seem to love theirs. Can't we do both desalination and rail, assuming the funding sources make sense?
 
Wez said:
I'm not the defender of the high speed rail project, but the EU and Japan seem to love theirs. Can't we do both desalination and rail, assuming the funding sources make sense?
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Sure both can be done.
Perhaps Sacramento should prioritize what order.
If we build the train and in the meantime run out of water...who's gonna be left to ride the train?
 
Wez said:
I'm not the defender of the high speed rail project, but the EU and Japan seem to love theirs. Can't we do both desalination and rail, assuming the funding sources make sense?
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The funding requires an increase in the money supply to go to those you despise. Does that make sense?
 
Lion Eyes said:
If you are reading this from anywhere in California, stop, look in the mirror and say, “I’m a champion.”

It’s an indisputable claim, because experts say Californians are the worldwide leaders at capturing water.

Our state has its own man-made circulation system — concrete canals and pipes that bring water from faraway mountains to farms and population centers. We’re the only place in the world with anything like it.

But, like a lot of champions, we might be getting complacent, cruising to victories over a bunch of easy-to-beat weather patterns.

Because as scientists slowly piece together clues unlocking the region’s ancient climate history, they are learning that California’s past is marked by stifling, soul-crushing droughts that lasted 30 years or longer and brought complex societies to their knees.

No one can say for sure if we are in a megadrought. We only know that, at this rate, we’ll eventually run out of water.

“You crawl into these things, and you crawl out of them,” said Bill Patzert, a mathematician and oceanographer at Jet Propulsion Laboratories who is considered the foremost expert on the interaction between the ocean and weather patterns. “But I can guarantee that we’re eventually going to find ourselves in a bad one.”

And this is probably not due to human-created climate change, Patzert said. It’s just garden variety variation in a climate that is much more erratic than most of us realize, he said.

By aging old tree stumps in Lake Tahoe, climate researcher Susan Lindstrom found a dry period that lasted an estimated 1,300 years until it finally started getting wetter around 4000 B.C.

And, more recently, an extended dry period that began about 1,050 years ago likely helped cause the absolute collapse of intricate Southwest American-Indian societies.
What’s more, a flood in 1605 was so severe it turned the Central Valley into a lake.

The last 150 years of weather represent some of the most peaceful, reliable periods of rainfall in the region’s history, concluded paleoclimatologists B. Lynn Ingram and Frances Malamud-Roam, in their recent book “The West Without Water.”
entire article:
http://www.dailynews.com/general-news/20140215/history-shows-california-subject-to-extreme-droughts
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California, and specifically, southern california is made up of mostly arid and semi-arid regions.
The water has to be delivered, and has been, in the past, through monumental engineering, and visionary ways.
The population has doubled in the last forty years, yet we still rely largely, on a 70 year old aquaduct system.
Anyone who has lived here for any length of time and is somewhat educated (or just pays attention) on the climate patterns, understands that we have a pattern of "droughts", followed by short bursts of precipitation.
Desalination is the obvious answer.
Either that, or half of those people who moved out here need to go back to where they came from.
 
Wez said:
I'm not the defender of the high speed rail project, but the EU and Japan seem to love theirs. Can't we do both desalination and rail, assuming the funding sources make sense?
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If California needs a high speed rail, it sure as hell doesnt need it to go to bakersfield.
 
In my lifetime, I have noticed a pattern of three to five years of drought, followed by one to three years of above average rainfall.
This pattern is not set in stone, it is just an overall guideline of what I generally expect.
I expected the rain to come last year, but much like in 83, it came at the tail end of the El Nino this time.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwiR4bvU1tPRAhWrrlQKHbPmBFEQFggbMAA&url=http://patrol.mammothmountain.com/RptPage.aspx?Rpt=1&Range=0&GrpBy=0&RptRender=False&Location=SS_MI&usg=AFQjCNGIjVKCvVyQhn79cY3CpeuJFI7xuA&bvm=bv.144224172,d.cGw
 
Bernie Sanders said:
Its where the greatest country music on earth was born, but that "lonesome whistle blow'n" was old timey, slow speed rail.
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I was stationed in Lemoore for a bit. Thereʻs a reason why the Navy placed their Hornetʻs nest out there. Itʻs not because of population density thatʻs for sure. My engineering background says that a 4k rider per sq. mile makes the rail successful. No go otherwise
 
Hüsker Dü said:
We just finished a deal plant down here, expensive water . . . of course they are pushing toilet to tap, but only for the residents south of highway 94.
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Most of Southern Cal already has toilet to tap, but people don't want recognize what has been flushed down the Colorado River.
 
Bernie Sanders said:
In my lifetime, I have noticed a pattern of three to five years of drought, followed by one to three years of above average rainfall.
This pattern is not set in stone, it is just an overall guideline of what I generally expect.
I expected the rain to come last year, but much like in 83, it came at the tail end of the El Nino this time.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwiR4bvU1tPRAhWrrlQKHbPmBFEQFggbMAA&url=http://patrol.mammothmountain.com/RptPage.aspx?Rpt=1&Range=0&GrpBy=0&RptRender=False&Location=SS_MI&usg=AFQjCNGIjVKCvVyQhn79cY3CpeuJFI7xuA&bvm=bv.144224172,d.cGw
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Last year was a little below average rain and snowpack. It would have been seen as a normal year if it were not at the end of a multi-year drought. This year is turning out to be way above average if the weather continues beyond this week. What we were missing during the drought winters were the Gulf of Alaska storms running northwest to southeast big enough to drench the whole state for a few days at a time and more than once a year. Instead we had a weather pattern that looked like a roadblock sitting off the coast steering all the good wet storms north and south of us. This winter we have had storms alternating from the northwest (as in typical winters) and southwest (as in El Nino winters). Right now the satellite pictures show all kinds of interesting stuff heading our way.

http://www.intellicast.com/Storm/Hurricane/PacificSatellite.aspx?animate=true
 
Bernie Sanders said:
California, and specifically, southern california is made up of mostly arid and semi-arid regions.
The water has to be delivered, and has been, in the past, through monumental engineering, and visionary ways.
The population has doubled in the last forty years, yet we still rely largely, on a 70 year old aquaduct system.
Anyone who has lived here for any length of time and is somewhat educated (or just pays attention) on the climate patterns, understands that we have a pattern of "droughts", followed by short bursts of precipitation.
Desalination is the obvious answer.
Either that, or half of those people who moved out here need to go back to where they came from.
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Instead of building oil pipelines why not water pipelines?
 
Bruddah IZ said:
Because you need oil to make, transport, install, power pumps to move water through water pipes and maintain those pipes. Did I miss anything?
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Yes, that some regions have more water than they need and out here we have less. So pipeline it out here . . . oh wait, you didn't want an answer, you were just trying to be a wise-cracker like usual, never mind, as you were.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Instead of building oil pipelines why not water pipelines?
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Bruddah IZ said:
Because you need oil to make, transport, install, power pumps to move water through water pipes and maintain those pipes. Did I miss anything?
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Hüsker Dü said:
Yes, that some regions have more water than they need and out here we have less. So pipeline it out here . . . oh wait, you didn't want an answer, you were just trying to be a wise-cracker like usual, never mind, as you were.
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Were your water pipelines going to magically appear?
 
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