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Cummings slams politically charged Trump EPA program. Turns out to be Obama EPA program
Jazz Shaw Jul 16, 2018 8:01 AM
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How on Earth did that happen?
 
espola said:
Ooooh- selective quotes game.

In their complaint, the PLF lawyers stated the work was exempt as a “construction or maintenance of farm or stock ponds.” But what the lawyers left out is the line that proceeded the listed exemptions, ” Except as provided in paragraph (2) of this subsection, the discharge of dredged or fill material.” In paragraph 2, we find:

(2) Any discharge of dredged or fill material into the navigable waters incidental to any activity having as its purpose bringing an area of the navigable waters into a use to which it was not previously subject, where the flow or circulation of navigable waters may be impaired or the reach of such waters be reduced, shall be required to have a permit under this section

In other words, if you’re maintaining an existing pond, no permit is necessary. If you’re building a new one, however, you need that permit. More importantly, the Army Corps of Engineers needs to ascertain whether the work being done is going to have an adverse effect on the water system.
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And another -

The difference for Johnson ended up being in who lives downstream. "From the information we have gathered, we have a neighbor who took it upon themselves to make all the phone calls. It's really very strange. Everybody in our community absolutely loves our project. These neighbors moved here from out of state," Johnson said. "Their son was in the trackhoe when I was building the dam. I was showing him how to run it, they were out there taking pictures. The next day they reported us to the Corps of Engineers."​
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Oooooohh you're just too fucking smart for anyone alive today....
So tell me Magoo, is that pond still there?
Did the Johnsons have to pay a huge fine?
Did the EPA overstep their authority?
On a different note, did you ever cite your source for the Robert E Lee order to shoot Union officers who lead black troops?
 
Lion Eyes said:
Oooooohh you're just too fucking smart for anyone alive today....
So tell me Magoo, is that pond still there?
Did the Johnsons have to pay a huge fine?
Did the EPA overstep their authority?
On a different note, did you ever cite your source for the Robert E Lee order to shoot Union officers who lead black troops?
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Yes, the pond is still there as far as I know, but I have seen no photos that indicate that he fulfilled his part of the agreement. I find it amusing that after arguing that it was a "stock pond" he agreed that he would build a fence to keep his stock out of it.

The Johnsons were never assessed a fine. They were informed what the maximum fine could have been, in accordance with the law and standard EPA practice.

Nothing in the legal documents says anything about EPA or CoE overstepping their bounds. That is all in the PLF press releases.

I told you where to find the information on Lee. Frankly, I am surprised that you are stuck on that issue, since it was a policy originating with Jefferson Davis and the rebel Congress. The [olicy was
 
Lion Eyes said:
Oooooohh you're just too fucking smart for anyone alive today....
So tell me Magoo, is that pond still there?
Did the Johnsons have to pay a huge fine?
Did the EPA overstep their authority?
On a different note, did you ever cite your source for the Robert E Lee order to shoot Union officers who lead black troops?
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Yes, the pond is still there as far as I know, but I have seen no photos that indicate that he fulfilled his part of the agreement. I find it amusing that after arguing that it was a "stock pond" he agreed that he would build a fence to keep his stock out of it.

The Johnsons were never assessed a fine. They were informed what the maximum fine could have been, in accordance with the law and standard EPA practice.

Nothing in the legal documents says anything about EPA or CoE overstepping their bounds. That is all in the PLF press releases.

I told you where to find the information on Lee. Frankly, I am surprised that you are stuck on that issue, since it was a policy originating with Jefferson Davis and the rebel Congress.
 
espola said:
Yes, the pond is still there as far as I know, but I have seen no photos that indicate that he fulfilled his part of the agreement. I find it amusing that after arguing that it was a "stock pond" he agreed that he would build a fence to keep his stock out of it.

The Johnsons were never assessed a fine. They were informed what the maximum fine could have been, in accordance with the law and standard EPA practice.

Nothing in the legal documents says anything about EPA or CoE overstepping their bounds. That is all in the PLF press releases.

I told you where to find the information on Lee. Frankly, I am surprised that you are stuck on that issue, since it was a policy originating with Jefferson Davis and the rebel Congress.
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Davis and the rebels quietly dropped the policy when Lincoln threatened to randomly select rebel officers in POW camps, one for one, for similar treatment.

More critical of Lee's character were the other two issues I brought up. When escaped slaves were returned, Lee ordered them to be whipped, and when his overseer refused to whip the females, he did it himself; and Lee was one of the few Southern slave owners to be sued by slaves, when he refused to free them as called for in his father-in-law's will, for which he was executor (the issue became moot when Union troops confiscated and freed the slaves early in the war).
 
espola said:
Yes, the pond is still there as far as I know, but I have seen no photos that indicate that he fulfilled his part of the agreement. I find it amusing that after arguing that it was a "stock pond" he agreed that he would build a fence to keep his stock out of it.

The Johnsons were never assessed a fine. They were informed what the maximum fine could have been, in accordance with the law and standard EPA practice.

Nothing in the legal documents says anything about EPA or CoE overstepping their bounds. That is all in the PLF press releases.

I told you where to find the information on Lee. Frankly, I am surprised that you are stuck on that issue, since it was a policy originating with Jefferson Davis and the rebel Congress.
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"Under the settlement reached Monday in federal court, Johnson will not have to pay the fines or drain the pond. But he will have to plant willow trees around the pond to protect the ground from erosion, and he’ll have to put a fence to temporarily protect it from livestock."
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-en...tles-water-pollution-case-with-wyoming-farmer

The pond will remain, Wood said, and Johnson won't have to pay any fines.

There was public backlash after news of the EPA’s order broke in March 2014, according to Casper Star-Tribune archives. Both of Wyoming’s senators, John Barrasso and Mike Enzi, joined Louisiana senator David Vitter in speaking out against the EPA's compliance order.

In their letter, the senators wrote that the "EPA appears more interested in intimidating and bankrupting Mr. Johnson than it does in working cooperatively with him."
https://billingsgazette.com/news/st...cle_b0e0f1de-52a2-5540-8a61-950b19f31f95.html
 
Lion Eyes said:
"Under the settlement reached Monday in federal court, Johnson will not have to pay the fines or drain the pond. But he will have to plant willow trees around the pond to protect the ground from erosion, and he’ll have to put a fence to temporarily protect it from livestock."
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-en...tles-water-pollution-case-with-wyoming-farmer

The pond will remain, Wood said, and Johnson won't have to pay any fines.

There was public backlash after news of the EPA’s order broke in March 2014, according to Casper Star-Tribune archives. Both of Wyoming’s senators, John Barrasso and Mike Enzi, joined Louisiana senator David Vitter in speaking out against the EPA's compliance order.

In their letter, the senators wrote that the "EPA appears more interested in intimidating and bankrupting Mr. Johnson than it does in working cooperatively with him."
https://billingsgazette.com/news/st...cle_b0e0f1de-52a2-5540-8a61-950b19f31f95.html
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Nothing more in defense of Lee?
 
espola said:
This part was cut off when I hit the Post button accidentally -

Davis and the rebels quietly dropped the policy when Lincoln threatened to randomly select rebel officers in POW camps, one for one, for similar treatment.

More critical of Lee's character were the other two issues I brought up. When escaped slaves were returned, Lee ordered them to be whipped, and when his overseer refused to whip the females, he did it himself; and Lee was one of the few Southern slave owners to be sued by slaves, when he refused to free them as called for in his father-in-law's will, for which he was executor (the issue became moot when Union troops confiscated and freed the slaves early in the war).
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Thanks. Now please post the source and cite the link...
Thanks once again.
 
espola said:
Oh, so it's just all volcanoes. That's a relief! Start up the diesel generator, Marge.
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Wow...having a hard time comprehending are we? Lose your reading glasses again did you? Please continue to show us your inability to understand the english language.

What a quack..
 
Earth System Models project that, within the last decade, ocean acidity exceeded historical analogues[9] and, in combination with other ocean biogeochemical changes, could undermine the functioning of marine ecosystems and disrupt the provision of many goods and services associated with the ocean beginning as early as 2100.[10]

Increasing acidity is thought to have a range of potentially harmful consequences for marine organisms, such as depressing metabolic rates and immune responses in some organisms, and causing coral bleaching.[11]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_acidification
 
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