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Wez said:
Nothing is not the right word to use. Can we say for sure what the overall impact is, no. I've said from the very beginning, a rational discussion on the topic of AGW should not involve any absolutes. Good Science evolves and changes as new information comes to light.

The important thing is to discuss what is reasonable based on what we currently know.

If we have to argue about what we currently know, for political and profiteering reasons, then we can't have a discussion and that's what's going on here.
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Science doesnt care how you feel.
 
Wez said:
I'm not sure 30-40 year old satellite data is relied upon by most scientists. Just making the point that our Earth Science technology has gotten a ton better in the last 20 years... not that it changes the discussion much.
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The notorious UAH satellite data was shown to be in error years ago, for fairly simple reasons. The original authors have acknowledged that.

We discussed that issue repeatedly on the old forum.
 
All XKCD cartoons have a hidden message (roll the cursor slowly over the drawing). The one for the cartoon in question is --

[After setting your car on fire] Listen, your car's temperature has changed before.​
 
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espola said:
The notorious UAH satellite data was shown to be in error years ago, for fairly simple reasons. The original authors have acknowledged that.

We discussed that issue repeatedly on the old forum.
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I guess thats why nobody looks at satellite data anymore. *sarcasm
 
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Wez said:
What an odd statement, just about everyone looks at satellite data....

So Berns, do you feel like you need to prove AGW isn't a thing? If yes, why?
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Not at all.
I told all of you people before. Im a skeptic.
You need to prove it to me.
Its called science.
 
Wez said:
Easily the best description of why small temperature changes could have gigantic ramifications to our environment going forward. Check this graphic out, it's amazing!

http://xkcd.com/1732/

"Instead of plotting temperature vertically and time on the horizontal axis as is usually done, he makes time vertical, starting 22,000 years ago. That makes the temperature move from cooler on the left to the present record heat we’re seeing today on the right. "
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Your Ehrlichian bent is showing again.
 
Wez said:
I thought it was a very effective way to explain the possible ramifications of mild fluctuations in temperature. A few degrees has very large effects.
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Fluctuations in temperature have large effects every year. Perhaps Summer and Winter come to mind?
 
Wez said:
I don't understand either question. The link is where I got it and the global temperatures through time are reflected on the very long graph. What am I missing?
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Longer Life expectancy, lower child mortality rates, higher crop yields, etc.
 
Wez said:
I'm sorry, have you successfully refuted anything yet? Also, do you feel a need for the graphic I posted to be wrong just because we don't agree on politics?
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Why would he have to refute why small temperature changes could have gigantic ramifications to our environment going forward when going forward actually means less births and and a ton of baby boomer deaths going forward? Less consumption maybe?
 
Bernie Sanders said:
Mann's "hockey stick" was "peer reviewed".
The actual data is something else.
Your homogenized cartoon smoothed all the spikes and valleys and turned them into barely discernable gradients.
To run in 500 year blocks, and then throw in a 16 year slice at the end is hilarious.

I would also contend, as would others, that the medieval warm period was warmer than today.
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Yup, they do the same method of graphing to show income inequality.
 
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