Changing back to Grade Year vs. Calendar Year for Fall 2025?

The old system still went by birthdate. It was Aug 1 instead of Jan 1, but otherwise the same.

So, if you were held back or skipped a grade, you played with kids your age, but a different year.
Which makes perfect sense due to the association with sports and college. The school year dominates NCAA rules, recruiting dates, and eligibility. Why the hell anyone thought moving the year group dates to a calender year would make things simpler is mind boggling.
 
my dd was an 2003. they changed from school year calendar which was: Aug 1st to July 31st, to birth year right after she ended her u12 season.. She went from u12 to u14. luckily, birth year reclassification never had an effect on her development, even being what they call a "trap" player (Nov 2003 birthday).
 
soooo.... is this a thing or not? If it's for the upcoming season when are they going to officially announce?
 
soooo.... is this a thing or not? If it's for the upcoming season when are they going to officially announce?
Feels like it might not be true at this point. I guess they could've been waiting for playoffs to be over, but seems really late to make this change.
 
Feels like it might not be true at this point. I guess they could've been waiting for playoffs to be over, but seems really late to make this change.
I was seeing some discussion boards mentioned 2025-2026 season. Would make sense just like we heard of RL 2 happening in April 2022 but it wasn’t implemented until fall 2024.
 
soooo.... is this a thing or not? If it's for the upcoming season when are they going to officially announce?
Is it possible to be in motion already? The only reason I say this is because for example at SurfCup this year 2010s which are mostly incoming freshman are considered “youngers”. Last year when the 2009s were also incoming freshman they were considered “olders”
 
Slightly different topic, but MLS Next has a "Late Developer" program. Does anyone know if the EA and EA2 leagues also have a "Late Developer" program?
 
Hmmmm....I can't reveal my source (secondary source one step removed from the decision makers) but he thinks apparently this is happening for ECNL (not MLS Next, which is subject to the needs of the pro academy system, which in turn is beholden to the age rules in Europe). First independent confirmation of this rumor I've heard, but still just a rumor.
 
Hmmmm....I can't reveal my source (secondary source one step removed from the decision makers) but he thinks apparently this is happening for ECNL (not MLS Next, which is subject to the needs of the pro academy system, which in turn is beholden to the age rules in Europe). First independent confirmation of this rumor I've heard, but still just a rumor.
Thanks!
Yeah I'm thinking it's probably true all the "rumors" have come to fruition so far.. I'm assuming it's for Fall 2025 since MLS Next and ECNL both start next weekend.
 
The change to the school year will put ECNL in more exclusive membership clubs and allow them to poach some late-birth-month players from MLS Next. It is a smart business move. GA has to follow suit to stay relevant.
 
hopefully it just stays the same. Imagine some leagues on school year and some on birth year. Everyone is birth year so just leave it alone. What a mess
Trapped players get a bad deal when they have no team to play with when they are in middle school and most of their club team is playing High School. Four months of no games, and practicing with younger teams is a challenge. Then they can't communicate with College Coaches during prime recruiting events with their team, because they are still Sophomores, when most of the team is Junior. Then again when they are Seniors, they have to go find a new team to play with, because their team graduated, and moved off to College. Birthyear system screws about 10-15% of all club players. Grade year has the potential to create a problem for what, 0.05% of the players who will be recruited for European or Professional play.
 
Honestly I wish more sports would adopt the birth year standard; in comparison, everything else is more confusing and arbitrary.

I get why individual leagues might want to deviate (to pull players who would have more of an advantage there), and how birth year is not as far to kids born in late months, but it's far more simple to understand.

That said, in concept I'd also be okay with picking another arbitrary cutoff date (eg: July 1), if it was standard across all sports. The arbitrary mess is what annoys me.
 
Trapped players get a bad deal when they have no team to play with when they are in middle school and most of their club team is playing High School. Four months of no games, and practicing with younger teams is a challenge. Then they can't communicate with College Coaches during prime recruiting events with their team, because they are still Sophomores, when most of the team is Junior. Then again when they are Seniors, they have to go find a new team to play with, because their team graduated, and moved off to College. Birthyear system screws about 10-15% of all club players. Grade year has the potential to create a problem for what, 0.05% of the players who will be recruited for European or Professional play.
They kind of fixed this. Last winter the 2011's and the 2010's in ECNL would of went on break and had nothing to do since they are not of high school age yet. At least for Southwest most of the clubs got together and made a winter league so 2011 and 2010's had something to do. The trapped 2009's who had their team go on break for high school who were not in high school yet were allowed to play with the 2010's. I imagine the same thing will happen with 2011 and 2012's again this winter and the 2010's that are not in high school yet will play with the 2011's. Two ECNL seasons ago they didn't do this and the break for the 2010's was ridiculous. Considering they keep lowering the ECNL start age ECNL really needs to think about this and create a formal winter league for those birth years and not leave it up to the clubs. Do seniors at that level really still play Club soccer anyway? Most will be committed to play college before the Junior High School Season starts. If you really want to play go to another league but isn't that why they have that last team with 2 years? So currently its 2007/2006. 2010 Freshman, 2009 Sophomore, 2008 Junior, 2007/2006 Seniors.
 
They kind of fixed this. Last winter the 2011's and the 2010's in ECNL would of went on break and had nothing to do since they are not of high school age yet. At least for Southwest most of the clubs got together and made a winter league so 2011 and 2010's had something to do. The trapped 2009's who had their team go on break for high school who were not in high school yet were allowed to play with the 2010's. I imagine the same thing will happen with 2011 and 2012's again this winter and the 2010's that are not in high school yet will play with the 2011's. Two ECNL seasons ago they didn't do this and the break for the 2010's was ridiculous. Considering they keep lowering the ECNL start age ECNL really needs to think about this and create a formal winter league for those birth years and not leave it up to the clubs. Do seniors at that level really still play Club soccer anyway? Most will be committed to play college before the Junior High School Season starts. If you really want to play go to another league but isn't that why they have that last team with 2 years? So currently its 2007/2006. 2010 Freshman, 2009 Sophomore, 2008 Junior, 2007/2006 Seniors.
Do seniors at that level really still play Club soccer anyway?
Some do and some don't. This is one of the big problems. The trapped players 2007/2006 are just starting their Junior year, they are in the same grade year as 2008, who can't play with the 2008 teams. A lot of Seniors are dialing back, or hanging it up, effecting lots of teams. It created a bad deal for the Juniors starting their year, who will be playing with 2008 teams next year.
The 2007/2006 teams are not a two year group. All the players ages are within a 365 day spread of being born. It is just referred to as two year groups because some of the Seniors where born in Nov-Dec of 2006.

It is good that the ECNL recognized the problem with Middle School, and started somewhat of a solution for them. There are still a lot of players not in the ECNL; think about all the players, not just a small few. That is how this problem started; focusing on the top 5%, at the expense of 95%. A lot of younger tournament happen during Dec-Jan, the trapped players would not be able to play in any tournaments, because they are "too old."

It's a US Soccer failure.
 
Some do and some don't. This is one of the big problems. The trapped players 2007/2006 are just starting their Junior year, they are in the same grade year as 2008, who can't play with the 2008 teams. A lot of Seniors are dialing back, or hanging it up, effecting lots of teams. It created a bad deal for the Juniors starting their year, who will be playing with 2008 teams next year.
The 2007/2006 teams are not a two year group. All the players ages are within a 365 day spread of being born. It is just referred to as two year groups because some of the Seniors where born in Nov-Dec of 2006.

It is good that the ECNL recognized the problem with Middle School, and started somewhat of a solution for them. There are still a lot of players not in the ECNL; think about all the players, not just a small few. That is how this problem started; focusing on the top 5%, at the expense of 95%. A lot of younger tournament happen during Dec-Jan, the trapped players would not be able to play in any tournaments, because they are "too old."

It's a US Soccer failure.
It wasn't even ECNL it was the Clubs that did it. It was a repeat of the first half of the southwest schedule basically. Isn't it good for the kids to get a break though? Or they can do other sports in that time frame. If they really really want to play soccer I'm sure they can find somewhere.
 
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