Cerritos Memorial Challenge Cup

exo231 said:
I get it, but you're missing the fact that there's a big difference between my kid, your kid, and the kid you're speaking of. My 10yr old dd doesn't compete in other sports nationally (yours probably doesn't either). I'm not here to bash anyone's kid or their parent's choices, unlike what you were doing. Not her parent, but I do know her and her family.
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I have known a few kids who do compete nationally who have been pushed really hard, although not at that level. Guess what? Two of the three done with the sport by junior year of high school. Between parent pressure and puberty/social life, they got sick of it.

I am sorry but there is nothing that will make pushing a kid like that and promoting her on Instagram ok with me. She's a child, not a client.
 
chargerfan said:
I have known a few kids who do compete nationally who have been pushed really hard, although not at that level. Guess what? Two of the three done with the sport by junior year of high school. Between parent pressure and puberty/social life, they got sick of it.
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Again, true for all of our kids.. many will be done with the sport before their senior year. Many factors will come into play.. mine may or may not. We shall wait and see what happens. Let us know in a few years if your kid is still playing the sport her senior year in high school. In the meantime don't spend too much time worrying about everyone else's kids or the great childhood you believe you're providing may sufffer.
 
exo231 said:
Again, true for all of our kids.. many will be done with the sport before their senior year. Many factors will come into play.. mine may or may not. We shall wait and see what happens. Let us know in a few years if your kid is still playing the sport her senior year in high school. In the meantime don't spend too much time worrying about everyone else's kids or the great childhood you believe you're providing may sufffer.
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we live in strange times when someone is defending having an elementary school student cross state lines on a weekly basis to play soccer, and promoting them on Instagram like they are a client and not their child.
 
chargerfan said:
we live in strange times when someone is defending having an elementary school student cross state lines on a weekly basis to play soccer, and promoting them on Instagram like they are a client and not their child.
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Agree and it's accepted. That is why I asked MAP about it and what she thought because to the logical individual promotion/marketing of a ten year old is odd. Maybe I am missing something?
This is SOCAL- many many friends have children participating in Lax, water polo, and volleyball at the National and Jr Olympic level and I have NEVER seen the level of self promotion and insanity that I do in club soccer. Additionally it seems to be motivated by a special group of snake oil salesmen- the "trainers" and "speed trainers" and "performance specialists".
I am actually appalled at the types of excercises I see being promoted for ten year old girls.
 
Also to be the devils advocate here...
The "hype" some families stir up about their kids actually helps them. It's helpful because sorry but these coaches are easily manipulated by these alpha families who are instagram, have multiple follows, bring their kid out to every single guesting chance they can, film every goal and "happen to put it on Facebook". We all know these families and we have all seem a marginal player suddenly have "interest" because a family cut and spliced her fragile career into a nice Facebook video set to rap music.
Some families play the game and "market" their child to multiple clubs and go for the best deal. That's fine I don't begrudge it. I also don't normalize it though and that's the subtle distinction. Just as the DA has placed limits on certain things I would assume as soon as someone became DA (a year from now) that they would not be able to participate unless their own geographic Da Came into play. I also do believe that certain things aka trainings will be noted since they are in full public view.
 
Striker17 said:
Also to be the devils advocate here...
The "hype" some families stir up about their kids actually helps them. It's helpful because sorry but these coaches are easily manipulated by these alpha families who are instagram, have multiple follows, bring their kid out to every single guesting chance they can, film every goal and "happen to put it on Facebook". We all know these families and we have all seem a marginal player suddenly have "interest" because a family cut and spliced her fragile career into a nice Facebook video set to rap music.
Some families play the game and "market" their child to multiple clubs and go for the best deal. That's fine I don't begrudge it. I also don't normalize it though and that's the subtle distinction. Just as the DA has placed limits on certain things I would assume as soon as someone became DA (a year from now) that they would not be able to participate unless their own geographic Da Came into play. I also do believe that certain things aka trainings will be noted since they are in full public view.
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It will be interesting to see if ME is willing to lie like BW did for this kid by allowing her to use a CA address to make her eligible for things like ODP, CRL, DA etc.
 
Jack23 said:
It will be interesting to see if ME is willing to lie like BW did for this kid by allowing her to use a CA address to make her eligible for things like ODP, CRL, DA etc.
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Striker17 said:
Agree and it's accepted. That is why I asked MAP about it and what she thought because to the logical individual promotion/marketing of a ten year old is odd. Maybe I am missing something?
This is SOCAL- many many friends have children participating in Lax, water polo, and volleyball at the National and Jr Olympic level and I have NEVER seen the level of self promotion and insanity that I do in club soccer. Additionally it seems to be motivated by a special group of snake oil salesmen- the "trainers" and "speed trainers" and "performance specialists".
I am actually appalled at the types of excercises I see being promoted for ten year old girls.
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I am curious as to what other pediatricians have said about these types of workouts? I asked ours before my girl did a speed and agility session with her team a few years back. She said it was fine if only once a week, and not done consistently throughout the year. She said children don't really need those kinds of intense workouts, and can lead to damage especially during the growth years. For that reason, we only do these trainings when her team does it 1-2 mths each year, once a week. has anyone else gotten the same, or different, advice?
 
I am not the parent you are referring to, even though I know them well and yes our daughters have played/play together. @Striker17 is the only person I know "outside" the forum, and she can attest that I am not.

You can look through all my old posts and you will never see me attack a child, particularly in the way you just did to two very sweet, hardworking girls. I enjoy pointing out the outlandishness I see in the competitive soccer world, but I would never NEVER do anything but heap praise on a particular child in a public forum . Shame on you for obviously taking a personal beef you have with those parents and turning it into a bashing of two young girls on a public forum. Disgusting.
 
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Someone isn't a "hater" or "jealous" because they bring up an intelligent conversation and concern. It is possible to bring up future issues related to DA without being a "hater". For the record you are also off in the identity so you may want to remove the persons name who you decided to blast because that is not who it is.
We are discussing high intensity work outs followed by cryo and massage. I would suggest you do your research before mouthing off.
 
Striker17 said:
Someone isn't a "hater" or "jealous" because they bring up an intelligent conversation and concern. It is possible to bring up future issues related to DA without being a "hater". For the record you are also off in the identity so you may want to remove the persons name who you decided to blast because that is not who it is.
We are discussing high intensity work outs followed by cryo and massage. I would suggest you do your research before mouthing off.
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Just like I said - striker17 can verify I am not that parent. I can tell you if came on here talking about my daughter like that, game over. Although I considering asking that family who would post such a thing so I can join them in confronting you and in a public way. You obviously have no class.
 
chargerfan said:
Just like I said - striker17 can verify I am not that parent. I can tell you if came on here talking about my daughter like that, game over. Although I considering asking that family who would post such a thing so I can join them in confronting you and in a public way. You obviously have no class.
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And I am a skeptical person by nature. That's who I am and it's needed in my line of work. I enjoy being the devils advocate. If it bothers you to the point that you feel the need to attack 12 year old girls, maybe just "ignore" me.
 
My mistake, I've asked for the last name to be removed. I was not referring to the 2 girls you're referring to, no beef at all with their parents. I'm not going to blast names again, but I'm referring to you chargerfan. You certainly aren't one PRAISING children on a public forum. My post is to state that you are no stellar parent, you have no room to talk about others and their choices. Like I said, if you're going to dish it you gotta be able to take it.
 
No the issue is so many of these posters are so emotional that they cannot separate their feelings from cause for concern. They assume because you bring up a geography question that "its none of my business" They assume because there are concerns that someone is "hating" or "jealous" or "can't get it done with their own kid" or "wished they were me"
They bring emotion into a sound argument or cause for dialogue. It's sad actually and hopefully their daughters will learn to read better than their parents.
Pro tip as you move up the ladder of soccer you will find that people's tolerance for bullshit, cheating, special favors rapidly dissipates. As you move up you also reach out and rely on others to help guide you and since we all make tons of mistakes all the time this is a great place to maybe get redirected. Am I pushing too hard? Am I missing the boat? I didn't know about that ACLS REHAB trainer etc etc etc..
If you would like to have an intelligent conversation about soccer by all means jump in. If you would like to continue pretending like we are on an episode of "Hood Rat Holla" I suggest you take it elsewhere.
 
padresonthepitch said:
My mistake, I've asked for the last name to be removed. I was not referring to the 2 girls you're referring to, no beef at all with their parents. I'm not going to blast names again, but I'm referring to you chargerfan. You certainly aren't one PRAISING children on a public forum. My post is to state that you are no stellar parent, you have no room to talk about others and their choices. Like I said, if you're going to dish it you gotta be able to take it.
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You obviously have no idea who I am. Maybe you could verify by DM, but I am not sure you want to "out" yourself after trashing an individual player on a public forum.
 
chargerfan said:
You obviously have no idea who I am. Maybe you could verify by DM, but I am not sure you want to "out" yourself after trashing an individual player on a public forum.
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And feel free to let me know when you have seen me talk negatively about an individual player on here. You're not going to find it.
 
exo231 said:
Yes she has Instagram, so does my DD and most of her friends. If you have a 10-11 yr old with Instagram and you don't manage or at least monitor their page you're a fool. my DD also follows her on Snapchat and musically, but you creeps(haters) should probably keep away. chargerfan sounds like a true FAN.. probably follows her too and can tell you she's a little beast.

Many of our kids (yours included) probably won't be playing in middle school or high school either, you don't know what's going to happen in 2-3 years. Keep off the haterade and feel sorry for your own lives, after all you're the adults hiding behind a fake name bashing a 10 yr old's life.
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You're pathetic. "After all you're the adults hiding behind a fake name bashing a 10 yr old's like" Said the man or woman legally named "EXO231" ....what are you stupid or something... lol
Get off your soap box You creepy troll!!
 
Alphaomega said:
You're pathetic. "After all you're the adults hiding behind a fake name bashing a 10 yr old's like" Said the man or woman legally named "EXO231" ....what are you stupid or something... lol
Get off your soap box You creepy troll!!
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Thanks legally named man or woman troll “Alphaomega”. None of my previous comments were negative so thanks for your input, but you make no sense.
 
Striker17 said:
No the issue is so many of these posters are so emotional that they cannot separate their feelings from cause for concern. They assume because you bring up a geography question that "its none of my business" They assume because there are concerns that someone is "hating" or "jealous" or "can't get it done with their own kid" or "wished they were me"
They bring emotion into a sound argument or cause for dialogue. It's sad actually and hopefully their daughters will learn to read better than their parents.
Pro tip as you move up the ladder of soccer you will find that people's tolerance for bullshit, cheating, special favors rapidly dissipates. As you move up you also reach out and rely on others to help guide you and since we all make tons of mistakes all the time this is a great place to maybe get redirected. Am I pushing too hard? Am I missing the boat? I didn't know about that ACLS REHAB trainer etc etc etc..
If you would like to have an intelligent conversation about soccer by all means jump in. If you would like to continue pretending like we are on an episode of "Hood Rat Holla" I suggest you take it elsewhere.
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You have a very valid point here, but didn’t this start because alphaomega and chargerfan couldn’t “separate their feelings from cause for concern” Saying “I feel sorry for her…etc” . Their opinions/concerns may have been valid, but they turned it into putting down a player/parent and nowhere did it sound like they were genuinely concerned.
 
Re: the instagram, I took a look. Looks like standard speed and strength training to me. I've been physically active all my life and I don't buy the "kids are too young" line. She's not blasting out deadlifts or power cleans. There are girls on my daughter's team that do the same thing.

IDK what level of play your daughters are at, but this isn't surprising to me at all. I'm not a fan of playing in another state, but it's not my daughter, it's not my life, and they can do whatever they want.
 
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