CDA Slammers Whittier FC

MWN said:
@Troglia7, the problem with your post is that is does two things:

1. Exposes @Dominic to letters from lawyers and bad will from members of the community, including potential advertisers as a result of certain statements you made that arguably impugn the character of certain individuals with the labels "greedy" and "evil." These statements would arguably be "libel per se," which are any defamatory statements that are libelous on their face. Civ. Code § 45 defines libel as “a false and unprivileged publication by writing, printing, picture, effigy, or other fixed representation to the eye, which exposes any person to hatred, contempt, ridicule, or obloquy, or which causes him to be shunned or avoided, or which has a tendency to injure him in his occupation.”

Your statements that they are greedy and evil are pushing the envelope. If you want to get your story out, then your better tactic would be to not use the terms "evil" and "greedy." Simply state the facts as you understand those facts, state what law or agreement was broken and omit commentary regarding character.

2. It arguably constitutes a violation of the "Terms and Rule", which provide in relevant part:
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"You agree to not use the Service to submit or link to any Content which is defamatory, abusive, hateful, threatening, spam or spam-like, likely to offend, contains adult or objectionable content, contains personal information of others, risks copyright infringement, encourages unlawful activity, or otherwise violates any laws. You are entirely responsible for the content of, and any harm resulting from, that Content or your conduct."​
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That #2 is pretty much ignored, and Dominic would have a far better website if he enforced it.
 
jpeter said:
Lots of shell games, limited liability corp, hiding, "sneaky" accounting and financing going on with youth soccer, abuse of non-profit statutes, etc but audits are few and fair between and they get away with stuff that a normal business don't. Don't ask don't tell is normally what you get.

Parents take control, ask for a full accounting of your fees. You can always hire you own coach, rent some fields, pay a small club fee for insurance and you can run the show without the "middle" people or directors if there not adding value but collecting a pay day.
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With so much discussion about the pay to play soccer club world, I wonder how many of you take advantage of the fact that if your club was registered as a nonprofit, you could write off your club player fee on your itemized taxes? We found this out after a few years into it. Better late than never. Pretty sure it can still be done. It helps a lot if you have multiple players.
 
Copa9 said:
With so much discussion about the pay to play soccer club world, I wonder how many of you take advantage of the fact that if your club was registered as a nonprofit, you could write off your club player fee on your itemized taxes? We found this out after a few years into it. Better late than never. Pretty sure it can still be done. It helps a lot if you have multiple players.
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You can write off actual donation to the club. You cannot write off your club fee since it's not a donation, i.e. you're getting a service in return.
 
I'd still like to hear more details.
Did they just say "Sorry, we don't need you. Good luck."
Or was it "Hey, we need to do x,y,z" and you weren't on board with their plans?
 
Copa9 said:
With so much discussion about the pay to play soccer club world, I wonder how many of you take advantage of the fact that if your club was registered as a nonprofit, you could write off your club player fee on your itemized taxes? We found this out after a few years into it. Better late than never. Pretty sure it can still be done. It helps a lot if you have multiple players.
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You might end up being grateful this place is anonymous.
 
Copa9 said:
With so much discussion about the pay to play soccer club world, I wonder how many of you take advantage of the fact that if your club was registered as a nonprofit, you could write off your club player fee on your itemized taxes? We found this out after a few years into it. Better late than never. Pretty sure it can still be done. It helps a lot if you have multiple players.
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It'ss no often you see someone admitting to tax fraud in public.
 
By all accounts Tessa has a great reputation and is appreciated by so many families in the area. The success of Cerritos Slammers helped them grow to this area. Fullerton Rangers used to be the big draw then Strikers North after Rangers melted down with The embezzlement fiasco. Choice and competition are good for the area. Seems like a lot of female assistant coaches but sad there are not too many head coaches.
 
Messi>CR7 said:
You can write off actual donation to the club. You cannot write off your club fee since it's not a donation, i.e. you're getting a service in return.
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I had this discussion with the President of our club, who is a CPA and attorney. I asked, since I was VP for Competitive Teams, whether I could deduct the cost of travel in support of our teams. "Not if your kid is playing there".
 
Copa9 said:
With so much discussion about the pay to play soccer club world, I wonder how many of you take advantage of the fact that if your club was registered as a nonprofit, you could write off your club player fee on your itemized taxes? We found this out after a few years into it. Better late than never. Pretty sure it can still be done. It helps a lot if you have multiple players.
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You may want to find a new CPA
 
MWN said:
@Troglia7, the problem with your post is that is does two things:

1. Exposes @Dominic to letters from lawyers and bad will from members of the community, including potential advertisers as a result of certain statements you made that arguably impugn the character of certain individuals with the labels "greedy" and "evil." These statements would arguably be "libel per se," which are any defamatory statements that are libelous on their face. Civ. Code § 45 defines libel as “a false and unprivileged publication by writing, printing, picture, effigy, or other fixed representation to the eye, which exposes any person to hatred, contempt, ridicule, or obloquy, or which causes him to be shunned or avoided, or which has a tendency to injure him in his occupation.”

Your statements that they are greedy and evil are pushing the envelope. If you want to get your story out, then your better tactic would be to not use the terms "evil" and "greedy." Simply state the facts as you understand those facts, state what law or agreement was broken and omit commentary regarding character.

2. It arguably constitutes a violation of the "Terms and Rule", which provide in relevant part:

"You agree to not use the Service to submit or link to any Content which is defamatory, abusive, hateful, threatening, spam or spam-like, likely to offend, contains adult or objectionable content, contains personal information of others, risks copyright infringement, encourages unlawful activity, or otherwise violates any laws. You are entirely responsible for the content of, and any harm resulting from, that Content or your conduct."​
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Saying (in writing) someone is "greedy" or "evil" is rarely libelous, its an opinion that is unverifiable. Stating (in writing) that someone "broke the law" is libelous, if untrue or unproven, since it is a statement of verifiable fact. I certainly wouldn't advise anyone to state it unless the individual had already been found guilty of breaking the law. You seem to have it backwards.
 
watfly said:
Saying (in writing) someone is "greedy" or "evil" is rarely libelous, its an opinion that is unverifiable. Stating (in writing) that someone "broke the law" is libelous, if untrue or unproven, since it is a statement of verifiable fact. I certainly wouldn't advise anyone to state it unless the individual had already been found guilty of breaking the law. You seem to have it backwards.
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No disagreement, but in this context, the officers of a tax exempt mutual benefit corporation, along with the other facts stated could imply a provably false assertion of fact. The implication here is she was terminated because the officers of the corporation are using the monies for their own financial benefit (greedy) and that is illegal (evil). If she simply made these opinions without providing factual context that would be one thing, but by providing factual context she is potentially exposing herself to issues.

As an aside, if I'm CDA Slammers (or any other Club), I probably need to have some strong conversations with my employment law attorney about the practice of treating everybody, including Ms. Troglia as a 1099 contractor (at least according to the last 990 on file). This is even more important in light of AB5.
 
MWN said:
No disagreement, but in this context, the officers of a tax exempt mutual benefit corporation, along with the other facts stated could imply a provably false assertion of fact. The implication here is she was terminated because the officers of the corporation are using the monies for their own financial benefit (greedy) and that is illegal (evil). If she simply made these opinions without providing factual context that would be one thing, but by providing factual context she is potentially exposing herself to issues.

As an aside, if I'm CDA Slammers (or any other Club), I probably need to have some strong conversations with my employment law attorney about the practice of treating everybody, including Ms. Troglia as a 1099 contractor (at least according to the last 990 on file). This is even more important in light of AB5.
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The gist of what I got from her statement is that she was removed from the club because she resisted expansion in the area where she worked. Outside her work with the Camargos, she has status as a soccer coach and a good reputation apparently.
 
Messi>CR7 said:
You can write off actual donation to the club. You cannot write off your club fee since it's not a donation, i.e. you're getting a service in return.
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Somehow we did it. But as always, check with your own tax specialist. We could not write off team fees, coaches fees etc. We also "volunteered" our time to the club. So again, check with your own tax person.
 
Troglia7 said:
Please respect my freedom. I have received an outpour of support, and people are anxious to hear about not only the facts of the exclusion, but more importantly where I’m heading next, which is my main focus. It was just important to me to share, that’s all.
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Make sure to keep all those texts, emails and DMs. If a lawsuit is filed as you seemed to suggest earlier, Slammer’s lawyers are going to ask for them, and deleting them is called “spoliating evidence.”
 
Copa9 said:
Somehow we did it. But as always, check with your own tax specialist. We could not write off team fees, coaches fees etc. We also "volunteered" our time to the club. So again, check with your own tax person.
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But you said earlier "you could write off your club player fee on your itemized taxes".
 
Troglia7 said:
Please respect my freedom. I have received an outpour of support, and people are anxious to hear about not only the facts of the exclusion, but more importantly where I’m heading next, which is my main focus. It was just important to me to share, that’s all.
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I’m wondering what exactly happened.
Why did they say they were moving on?
What have they told players/parents?
How involved were they with Whittier and Diamond Bar?
 
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