So if a game is even after regulation and OT, can a coach put a player in the keep who was on the bench at the end of the game?
You may only substitute the goalie if they are injured and cannot continue to play. The substituted player may not take part in the kicks.
Procedure
Before kicks from the penalty mark start
Notice that in the IFAB state of rules above, that the comment "....who is unable to continue....." is stated. This gives an injured goalie the capability to be replaced by a substitute. This substitute may not take part in the kicking. This type of thing may happen if a goalie has been injured in play before, but is just trying to 'hang in there'. For the critical kicks from the mark play, they may wish to replace that injured goalie with one that is 100% healthy. There would have needed to be some previous indication that the goalie had possibly been injured during game play, which the referee observed.
- Unless there are other considerations (e.g. ground conditions, safety etc.), the referee tosses a coin to decide the goal at which the kicks will be taken which may only be changed for safety reasons or if the goal or playing surface becomes unusable
- The referee tosses a coin again and the team that wins the toss decides whether to take the first or second kick
- With the exception of a substitute for a goalkeeper who is unable to continue, only players who are on the field of play or are temporarily off the field of play (injury, adjusting equipment etc.) at the end of the match are eligible to take kicks
- Each team is responsible for selecting from the eligible players the order in which they will take the kicks. The referee is not informed of the order
BTW, this situation is termed 'kicks from the mark', which is different from a standard penalty kick situation.
Well, I will admit to an error here, on misreading/thinking. I did check with some high level referees. The response that I received back is below.
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You are misreading what the Law says. Here are the relevant sections:
With the exception of a substitute for a goalkeeper who is unable to continue, only players who are on the field of play or are temporarily off the field of play (injury, adjusting equipment etc.) at the end of the match are eligible to take kicks
A goalkeeper who is unable to continue before or during the kicks may be replaced by a player excluded to equalize the number of players or, if their team has not used its maximum permitted number of substitutes, a named substitute, but the replaced goalkeeper takes no further part and may not take a kick.
So, first off, the first sentence above says that the only players who are eligible to participate in KFTM are those who were on the field at the end of time (this includes any overtime, extra time, or additional periods of play). This includes whoever is going to be a goalkeeper during KFTM. The Law allows that this would also include any player who was temporarily off the field at the end of time for injury or equipment or similar reason. An injured player who was off the field at the end of time who is subsequently declared “unable to continue” can be substituted for and the same is true of a goalkeeper who becomes “unable to continue” between the end of time and the end of KFTM. Under your scenario, your GK could be substituted for using anyone else on your roster (what you cannot do, however, is use a field player to change roles with the GK and then try to bring on another person to replace the player who used to be the GK but is injured). What you also cannot do is, if the rules of competition for your game allow for only a limited number of substitutions (say 3) and you have already used up all three, the injured goalkeeper has to come off but can be replaced only by a field player – which then triggers the “reduce to equate rule” (i.e., the other team has to take one of its players off the field).
Your second issue is, as I said, a result of misreading the Law. The second sentence says that is the replaced goalkeeper – i.e., the one who is now off the field because of the injury (not the new goalkeeper) who “may not take a kick.”
So if a game is even after regulation and OT, can a coach put a player in the keep who was on the bench at the end of the game?
I wonder what NCAA's rational is for not playing under the FIFA laws of the game?
College football functions as a stepping stone to professional football. To some extent, so does college basketball. Unlimited substitutions in college soccer change the game dramatically for some programs, resulting in a much more direct game which does little to prepare players for the international game. While there is a good argument for eliminating college sports entirely, at this point in time it is the next stepping stone for most American female players that want to continue with the sport after high school. Male players have some (small but slowly growing) opportunity to become professional players after high school. This is not an option for all but two American female players at this time since it is very difficult to make a living as a professional female soccer player. With high school and college sports, the USA has an amazing sports infrastructure that is almost completely failing soccer players. I believe this is due to the fact that those in charge are old football, basketball and baseball players that don’t pay much attention to soccer other than to make sure it does not interfere with the “Big Three” sports. What they do not understand is that soccer will be one of the most popular US sports when our grandchildren are in college. On the other hand, maybe they do understand that and are doing everything they can to delay the inevitable. Don't get me wrong, I am a big fan of Title IX, but as you said in another thread, the US has squandered the lead that Title IX has given us.Title IX. Or another way to put it is they want to encourage participation. A typical D1 women's team has 28 or so players. If you had stricter substitution rules you would probably have 20-22 on a roster. On my players team about 16-20 players play (depending upon the opponent and the flow of the game). If they played by FIFA rules then at most 14 could play (maybe 16 if they used the sub rules for most international friendlies). That is approximately a 30% reduction in participation. Since only a small percentage of players will ever play in an international match why would you want to structure the rules of a scholastic league to mirror the international ones when participation is really the primary goal?
I wonder what NCAA's rational is for not playing under the FIFA laws of the game?
College football functions as a stepping stone to professional football. To some extent, so does college basketball. Unlimited substitutions in college soccer change the game dramatically for some programs, resulting in a much more direct game which does little to prepare players for the international game. While there is a good argument for eliminating college sports entirely, at this point in time it is the next stepping stone for most American female players that want to continue with the sport after high school. Male players have some (small but slowly growing) opportunity to become professional players after high school. This is not an option for all but two American female players at this time since it is very difficult to make a living as a professional female soccer player. With high school and college sports, the USA has an amazing sports infrastructure that is almost completely failing soccer players. I believe this is due to the fact that those in charge are old football, basketball and baseball players that don’t pay much attention to soccer other than to make sure it does not interfere with the “Big Three” sports. What they do not understand is that soccer will be one of the most popular US sports when our grandchildren are in college. On the other hand, maybe they do understand that and are doing everything they can to delay the inevitable. Don't get me wrong, I am a big fan of Title IX, but as you said in another thread, the US has squandered the lead that Title IX has given us.
College football functions as a stepping stone to professional football. To some extent, so does college basketball. Unlimited substitutions in college soccer change the game dramatically for some programs, resulting in a much more direct game which does little to prepare players for the international game. While there is a good argument for eliminating college sports entirely, at this point in time it is the next stepping stone for most American female players that want to continue with the sport after high school. Male players have some (small but slowly growing) opportunity to become professional players after high school. This is not an option for all but two American female players at this time since it is very difficult to make a living as a professional female soccer player. With high school and college sports, the USA has an amazing sports infrastructure that is almost completely failing soccer players. I believe this is due to the fact that those in charge are old football, basketball and baseball players that don’t pay much attention to soccer other than to make sure it does not interfere with the “Big Three” sports. What they do not understand is that soccer will be one of the most popular US sports when our grandchildren are in college. On the other hand, maybe they do understand that and are doing everything they can to delay the inevitable. Don't get me wrong, I am a big fan of Title IX, but as you said in another thread, the US has squandered the lead that Title IX has given us.
Participation has gotten us very far, but moving forward? I agree MAP, we need new blood at the top, including at the NCAA. The short season is also a problem. If there were no spring season, at least you could argue that it frees up players to concentrate on classes during the spring. But with the condensed fall season, fall academics are difficult and then there is still travel during the spring. It would make sense to just have a longer season with the games spread out over fall and spring.
Espola is correct, college soccer does not have unlimited substitutions, it has almost unlimited substitutions where the limitations are just enough to make managing the subs more complicated. From the standpoint of the effects on the game, it may as well be unlimited.
It's also true for State and USSF organied tournaments. It is also true for all other tournaments who have not specified a different procedure in their competition rules.That's true for pros and international play. High school, college and some youth organizations have different rules.
Actually it is. The rules do not specify the number.College soccer is not unlimited substitutions.