A good summary of the lack of mask data and the problems with the observational mask studies.
Do Masks Work? | City Journal (city-journal.org)
Do Masks Work? | City Journal (city-journal.org)
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The health authorities in most places are doing whatever they can to combat the disease. Ron proudly claims that he is standing in the way.
If the health authorities are doing "whatever they can to combat the disease" (which is false BTW....cloth masks and vaccination cards if breakthroughs are in the neighborhood of 40-60% will do nothing), well they certainly are failing at it in NYC, Los Angeles, and San Francisco. I guess in your world gross incompetence then is different from willful obstruction even though both get you to the same place????
You sound hurt.
Espola has been waiting for you Grace. Welcome back btw. I need to take a break mentally. I just cant get my head wrapped around all this. You take over and I'll set back and read about the latest.
You sound stupid. But hey that’s nothing new ^\_(;?)_/^.
I'm smart enough to see that Ron D. is trying really hard to fill t's shoes. Are you?
You weren’t smart enough to see it’s a positive for the country if the rs have as a nominee someone who is more stable than the former president. But that’s your marching orders from the dnc right…see you got the “DeSantis is worse than trump” script that’s been making the rounds.
DeSantis is not worse than t by a long shot. That, however, is a long way from "positive for the country".
I hadn't heard that about him - perhaps because I am not a Democrat.
I do, however, get several emails every day that sound by their tone that the sender thinks I am a t supporter. Go figure.
That’s ok. Somehow I wound up on the Elizabeth Warren email list even though I would consider meet Kevin a positive over newsom.
Who or what is meet Kevin?
At least according to some polls, the front runner to replace newsom in the California recall.
I had to look him up.
It's too soon for serious study of the candidates, but I voted for Faulconer for Mayor of SD in that brief period when I was a resident of SD. Then he became a t supporter, however.
Poor baby…having to go look up the candidates. Treat yourself to an ice cream to make up for the hard work.
SF?
SF is an example of what happens when people meet outside, mask up, and get their shots.
SF has a mask mandate, 70% vax rate, and vaccine passports. SF also has cases lower than 2 weeks ago, plenty of staffed beds in the hospitals, and zero deaths per day. It works.
The problem is actually solvable, if you don’t insist on being an idiot about it.
Finding someone to pick on part 2 is kind of difficult. I’d consider a Democrat or a never-trump Republican, but there aren’t many of either on the ballot.
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As a known liar and cheat, not sure I'm anybody you should trust. Nonetheless, since directed to me, the official ingredient list for the approved CoV-2 vaccines can be found in appendix C of this big CDC link. Depending on how it loads in your browser you may need to scroll down to find Appendix C. Or it might just open up to it.
Interim Clinical Considerations for Use of COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC
Find interim clinical considerations for the use of COVID-19 vaccines for the prevention of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the United States.
www.cdc.gov
If the parts list sounds like chemical gobbledygook, on the link below what are listed as the inactive ingredients of the vaccines essentially form a spherical membrane or shell that can fuse with your cells once the vaccine particles are injected. The fusion delivers the active ingredient, which is what is shown in the middle. That's the genetic instructions (either RNA or DNA depending on which vaccine) for making the CoV-2 spike protein. Your cells express the protein and antibodies get made to it.
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The history has a long and short part. The short part has to do with the ability of this particular Cvirus, with its once and future variants, to escape immune detection (natural or vaccine induced), versus the ability of the virus to initially outpace immune clearance due to increased replicative potential. The data right now seems to be pointing at the latter. Cviruses have big genomes and can encode lots of tricks. But they are also under constraints and the molecular surfaces antibodies recognize can only change so much. There is an interesting natural experiment that supports the idea that CoV-2 may not be able to change extensively enough to truly escape a previous immune response. People who were infected during the 2003 SARS outbreak (CoV-1, which also recognizes Ace2 as the receptor) can be demonstrated to have antibodies that strongly recognize CoV-2.
The long part of the history is where the true escape from immune detection comes in. This is where different Cviruses infect the same cell, recombine, and produce a brand new Cvirus with new molecular surfaces that humans haven't really been exposed to before. You might think, SARS, MERS, COVID, seems like this sort of thing is happening fairly regularly actually. And the virologists who study human/viral environmental interactions jump up and down and say we've been screaming at everybody to pay attention.
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Combat?
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You sound hurt.....for a smart guy that is.