Ask a lawyer.
I honestly dont know.
I do know that its already illegal for a felon to own a (any) firearm.
So how many laws need to be broken before you figure out that felons dont really care about breaking the law.
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I honestly dont know.
I do know that its already illegal for a felon to own a (any) firearm.
So how many laws need to be broken before you figure out that felons dont really care about breaking the law.
I would not be opposed to locking up anyone who uses a firearm in the commission of a crime for a minimum of 15 years.
I would also make it legal to shoot anyone who trespasses on your property.
I would also make it legal to shoot anyone who trespasses on your property.
Gonna shoot your neighbor's kids?
coocoo.
I would also make it legal for non-felons to carry a weapon on their person.
Use that weapon in the commission of a crime, you get a minimum 15 years.
Use it for self defense, or the defense of others, no crime.
You said "anyone".
Into a bank? Into a school?
I didnt say I would make it required to shoot trespassers.
I said I would make it legal. (to defend your life and property)
Use it in a crime, minimum 15 years.
(If you dont get shot first)
I'll tell you a story about someone I know who recently had a trespasser on their property.
This (person) has a motion detector in front of the house that chimes when someone or something approaches the front of the house.
Recently, the (person) was alerted in the wee hours of the morning, and went to the front of the house (armed) and saw a trespasser dressed in black, with a backpack and a hat in the driveway.
The trespasser was looking into cars and a truck parked on the side of the house.
The (person) slowly opened the front door just enough to point a 12 gauge at the trespasser, who had his back at this point to the (person).
The (person) said, "hey", and the trespasser stopped still and said, "hey" back.
The (person) replied, "do not turn around, and get the (bleep) out of here."
The trespasser did not turn around and fled the property.
Had that trespasser turned around, would the (person) be justified in defending his or her home?
What would justify lethal force?
Had the trespasser turned quickly and was within ten yards of the (person), would it be justified to shoot or would you have the (person) arrested and sent to prison?
Remember, its dark, and this trespasser is hard to see.
This (person) has a motion detector in front of the house that chimes when someone or something approaches the front of the house.
Recently, the (person) was alerted in the wee hours of the morning, and went to the front of the house (armed) and saw a trespasser dressed in black, with a backpack and a hat in the driveway.
The trespasser was looking into cars and a truck parked on the side of the house.
The (person) slowly opened the front door just enough to point a 12 gauge at the trespasser, who had his back at this point to the (person).
The (person) said, "hey", and the trespasser stopped still and said, "hey" back.
The (person) replied, "do not turn around, and get the (bleep) out of here."
The trespasser did not turn around and fled the property.
Had that trespasser turned around, would the (person) be justified in defending his or her home?
What would justify lethal force?
Had the trespasser turned quickly and was within ten yards of the (person), would it be justified to shoot or would you have the (person) arrested and sent to prison?
Remember, its dark, and this trespasser is hard to see.
The trespasser was committing a property crime outside of the house, making no effort to come into the house. From your description, there was no indication that the trespasser was armed, nor is there any reasonable basis to assume that an a-hole breaking into cars in driveways is armed.
The trespasser would not deserve to die for turning around, absent the shooter’s reasonable belief of his own imminent harm, such as trespasser showing a weapon or charging the homeowner.
So if the homeowner shot and killed the trespasser for the simple act of turning around in violation of “the order,” the homeowner should be subject to prosecution for manslaughter. OBVI.
Chickenshits don’t get to kill people in the circumstance you describe...but I notice you gun nuts are chickenshits so you’re probably ok with it. The “order” makes you feel powerful. I get it.
You are weaseling away from your initial position into what is already legal.
Aside from your predictable ad hominem slights, this is not an entirely irrational response.
I will say, that within ten yards, you have very little time to determine if the trespasser has a weapon before its too late.
Do you believe the (person) has a right to defend their property, or should they lock the door and dial 911?
Its not legal in this state unless the trespasser has a weapon and you can prove you are in imminent danger.
In a sense, this presents the defender of their property as guilty until proven innocent.
I have found that dialing 911 and telling the operator in a voice loud enough for the intruder to hear "A person is breaking into cars in my yard - how soon can you be here?" to be sufficient.
Assuming the "intruder" is rational.
Are you saying that "defend your life and property " does not include "imminent danger"? Have you thought this through yet?
You said you weren't a lawyer.
I never said I was stupid.
I let you people do that.