An amazing case for reducing gun ownership in America

So you said... because the foreign steel was inferior. So in a way, you point is raising cost is in this case are great for America. lol
Sucker.
I have a choice.
I can buy either, and when it comes to steel, and copper, I buy domestic.
Better quality for a better product.
The competition is good.
American manufacturers try to keep costs down and the foreign guys attempt to bring up the quality.
I get to choose.

I cant choose what gas to buy in California because its all been artificially priced by socialist regulators.
 
I can't believe this thread is still going on. Why don't the republican just say we don't care about all those people. Humanity is better off without them or some such elitist blah blah blah you hear from the Koch brothers propaganda machine.
Could you please cite the source you're referencing above?
I'm sure it would be fascinating to read....blah blah blah?
 
I have a choice.
I can buy either, and when it comes to steel, and copper, I buy domestic.
Better quality for a better product.
The competition is good.
American manufacturers try to keep costs down and the foreign guys attempt to bring up the quality.
I get to choose.

I cant choose what gas to buy in California because its all been artificially priced by socialist regulators.

Yes yes I see. Taxes on the people who uses the roads that pay for the roads are a socialist plot. But reducing competition is as American as apple pie.
#TrumpsAmerica
 
Could you please cite the source you're referencing above?
I'm sure it would be fascinating to read....blah blah blah?

The source is my eyes. You don't get to keep your cake and eat it too. You can't both discard "X" number of gun deaths and still be the nice guys. The world doesn't work like that.

Don't need to cite a source. It's common sense yo.
 
I'll keep you posted on that one.
The last time copper went through the roof, it was China manipulating the market.
Import steel has been expensive for years, and the quality is terrible.
I have one supplier who only sells domestic, and their prices are not much higher.

That said, I think Trump is trolling the globalists in order to restructure nafta with a little more leverage.
You people take the line every time.
No, you take the bait, as you think he has a plan.
 
Yes yes I see. Taxes on the people who uses the roads that pay for the roads are a socialist plot. But reducing competition is as American as apple pie.
#TrumpsAmerica
Someone say sucker?

Why are California's roads so bad?

California motorists pay some of the highest gasoline taxes in the nation. On average, states impose a combination of taxes and fees that amount to about 30 cents a gallon, whereas California's gas tax is an astonishing 42 cents a gallon. On top of that, according to a report released last fall by the Legislative Analyst's Office, cap-and-trade regulations will probably lead to an additional 13- to 20-cent-a-gallon increase by 2020. Drivers may not notice the added burden these taxes impose when gas prices are low, but at the moment they are skyrocketing: at nearly $5 a gallon in the Los Angeles-Long Beach region.

Given that Californians pay about 40% more in taxes and fees than the national average, it is only reasonable to expect that the quality of roads we get in return should be significantly better than in other parts of the country.

Unfortunately, anyone who has driven in our state recently knows that this is simply not the case. According to the Reason Foundation's 21st Annual Highway Report, California is home to one of the worst highway systems in the nation. The report ranks our state second to last in both the condition of urban interstates and in maintenance expenditures per mile.

In contrast, all five of the top-ranked states for highway system performance (Wyoming, Nebraska, South Dakota, South Carolina and Kansas) have state gasoline taxes at or below the national average. If these states can manage to fund road construction and maintenance without imposing exorbitant taxes on their residents, then so can we.

How can it be that we pay so much for so little? The answer lies in how the government spends the taxes we pay. As it turns out, not all of the revenue from gas taxes and vehicle fees is invested in our highways; instead, portions of it are diverted to other uses.

For instance, 100% of the sales tax on diesel fuel is currently diverted to public transit projects. If we spent this money on our road infrastructure instead, we'd have an additional $620 million each year for repairs. Cap-and-trade revenue, currently allocated with the intention of reducing greenhouse gases, is a more appropriate source of funding for mass transit.

A similar situation exists with the nearly $1 billion that is collected annually from the vehicle weight fee program. During the recession, the Legislature approved AB 105, which directed revenue from truck weight fees to support the general fund. Now that our economy has improved, budget gimmicks like this are no longer needed.

A healthy transportation infrastructure is crucial, especially in a state as large and populous as California. If the state spent driving-related revenue as originally intended, we could avoid tax increases while reinvesting billions of dollars in our roads. Fees and taxes paid by drivers should go toward funding improvements for drivers.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0717-obernolte-gas-tax-20150717-story.html
 
The source is my eyes. You don't get to keep your cake and eat it too. You can't both discard "X" number of gun deaths and still be the nice guys. The world doesn't work like that.

Don't need to cite a source. It's common sense yo.
Right...it's common knowledge that the Koch brothers blah blah blah...you fill in the blanks with whatever nonsense you deem correct.
Citing common knowledge sources should be easy... come on TD it's common knowledge.
 
Someone say sucker?

Why are California's roads so bad?

California motorists pay some of the highest gasoline taxes in the nation. On average, states impose a combination of taxes and fees that amount to about 30 cents a gallon, whereas California's gas tax is an astonishing 42 cents a gallon. On top of that, according to a report released last fall by the Legislative Analyst's Office, cap-and-trade regulations will probably lead to an additional 13- to 20-cent-a-gallon increase by 2020. Drivers may not notice the added burden these taxes impose when gas prices are low, but at the moment they are skyrocketing: at nearly $5 a gallon in the Los Angeles-Long Beach region.

Given that Californians pay about 40% more in taxes and fees than the national average, it is only reasonable to expect that the quality of roads we get in return should be significantly better than in other parts of the country.

Unfortunately, anyone who has driven in our state recently knows that this is simply not the case. According to the Reason Foundation's 21st Annual Highway Report, California is home to one of the worst highway systems in the nation. The report ranks our state second to last in both the condition of urban interstates and in maintenance expenditures per mile.

In contrast, all five of the top-ranked states for highway system performance (Wyoming, Nebraska, South Dakota, South Carolina and Kansas) have state gasoline taxes at or below the national average. If these states can manage to fund road construction and maintenance without imposing exorbitant taxes on their residents, then so can we.

How can it be that we pay so much for so little? The answer lies in how the government spends the taxes we pay. As it turns out, not all of the revenue from gas taxes and vehicle fees is invested in our highways; instead, portions of it are diverted to other uses.

For instance, 100% of the sales tax on diesel fuel is currently diverted to public transit projects. If we spent this money on our road infrastructure instead, we'd have an additional $620 million each year for repairs. Cap-and-trade revenue, currently allocated with the intention of reducing greenhouse gases, is a more appropriate source of funding for mass transit.

A similar situation exists with the nearly $1 billion that is collected annually from the vehicle weight fee program. During the recession, the Legislature approved AB 105, which directed revenue from truck weight fees to support the general fund. Now that our economy has improved, budget gimmicks like this are no longer needed.

A healthy transportation infrastructure is crucial, especially in a state as large and populous as California. If the state spent driving-related revenue as originally intended, we could avoid tax increases while reinvesting billions of dollars in our roads. Fees and taxes paid by drivers should go toward funding improvements for drivers.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0717-obernolte-gas-tax-20150717-story.html

Again I'm going to cite no source, and just say what I've seen with my own eyes. We all agree the roads have not been taken care of...

Not sure how this changes the fact that someone has to pay for the roads to be fixed if we want to change that. If not a tax on gas, where would you like to see those funds come from Lion?
 
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Right...it's common knowledge that the Koch brothers blah blah blah...you fill in the blanks with whatever nonsense you deem correct.
Citing common knowledge sources should be easy... come on TD it's common knowledge.

Well yes, I got my conservative "funder" wrong in this case. The Koch Brothers are not funding the NRA.
That said, I'll stand by my larger point that despite ample funds to run a PR campaign trying to spin these gun "massacres" (or whatever we're going to call them) into positive messages; the public is too savvy of how the media works, and that nobody is buying it. Just be honest... at least to me it would make your point of view a little less unsavory.
 
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Again I'm going to cite no source, and just say what I've seen with my own eyes. We all agree the roads have not been taken care of...

Not sure how this changes the fact that someone has to pay for the roads to be fixed if we want to change that. If not a tax on gas, where would you like to see those funds come from Lion?
How bout spending the money on the roads instead of diverting it to other programs, for your convenience I've high lighted from the LA Time:
Those crazy guys in Sacramento...take money from the intended purpose, spend it elsewhere & then ask for more money....brilliant!

....Given that Californians pay about 40% more in taxes and fees than the national average, it is only reasonable to expect that the quality of roads we get in return should be significantly better than in other parts of the country.

Unfortunately, anyone who has driven in our state recently knows that this is simply not the case. According to the Reason Foundation's 21st Annual Highway Report, California is home to one of the worst highway systems in the nation. The report ranks our state second to last in both the condition of urban interstates and in maintenance expenditures per mile. ...

A similar situation exists with the nearly $1 billion that is collected annually from the vehicle weight fee program. During the recession, the Legislature approved AB 105, which directed revenue from truck weight fees to support the general fund. Now that our economy has improved, budget gimmicks like this are no longer needed.
 
Well yes, I got my conservative "funder" wrong in this case. The Koch Brothers are not funding the NRA.
That said, I'll stand by my larger point that despite ample funds to run a PR campaign trying to spin these gun "massacres" (or whatever we're going to call them) into positive messages; the public is too savvy of how the media works, and that nobody is buying it. Just be honest... at least to me it would make your point of view a little less unsavory.
Who is spinning these massacres into a positive message?
I've yet to read or hear any such nonsense..please enlighten me...
 
How bout spending the money on the roads instead of diverting it to other programs, for your convenience I've high lighted from the LA Time:
Those crazy guys in Sacramento...take money from the intended purpose, spend it elsewhere & then ask for more money....brilliant!

....Given that Californians pay about 40% more in taxes and fees than the national average, it is only reasonable to expect that the quality of roads we get in return should be significantly better than in other parts of the country.

Unfortunately, anyone who has driven in our state recently knows that this is simply not the case. According to the Reason Foundation's 21st Annual Highway Report, California is home to one of the worst highway systems in the nation. The report ranks our state second to last in both the condition of urban interstates and in maintenance expenditures per mile. ...

A similar situation exists with the nearly $1 billion that is collected annually from the vehicle weight fee program. During the recession, the Legislature approved AB 105, which directed revenue from truck weight fees to support the general fund. Now that our economy has improved, budget gimmicks like this are no longer needed.

Maybe we should look at how much of our tax dollars head out of state... you know we pay billions to the feds that never come back?
Again, we've been cutting taxes in this country for years and now our infrastructure is in disrepair. Waving our hands in the air and saying oh well isn't going to change it.

Guess fortunately for California high taxes don't seem to have affected growth. Again no source on that, just what I've seen.
 
Who is spinning these massacres into a positive message?
I've yet to read or hear any such nonsense..please enlighten me...

Would you say the 2nd amendment is a positive thing for America?

Honestly, I've never been anti-guns, but it seem like we have an epidemic on our hands and this everyone has a right owning an AR-15 mentality (When 95% of American's don't own an AR-15) is a problem. That's just how I see the situation.
 
Maybe we should look at how much of our tax dollars head out of state... you know we pay billions to the feds that never come back?
Again, we've been cutting taxes in this country for years and now our infrastructure is in disrepair. Waving our hands in the air and saying oh well isn't going to change it.

Guess fortunately for California high taxes don't seem to have affected growth. Again no source on that, just what I've seen.


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Maybe we should look at how much of our tax dollars head out of state... you know we pay billions to the feds that never come back?
Again, we've been cutting taxes in this country for years and now our infrastructure is in disrepair. Waving our hands in the air and saying oh well isn't going to change it.

Guess fortunately for California high taxes don't seem to have affected growth. Again no source on that, just what I've seen.


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