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tenacious said:
Honestly I don't know who I'm going to vote for either. So I'm defaulting to HS as a protest vote, til one of the Dems can show me they deserve my vote.
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Most votes are the vote against. The last presidential election, I captioned the Oh Shit versus OH FUCK!!!! vote. I left the Democratic party around 2010. I doubt I will ever go back.
 
Andy Dukes said:
Well, I spent 15 minutes getting to know Bernie better by reading this article. What drama was I supposed to get from that 15 minutes?
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You don't think not earning your first paycheck til you're in your 30's, or having to steal electricity from your neighbors because you're not earning enough to pay your bills speaks to one's character?
 
Andy Dukes said:
Most votes are the vote against. The last presidential election, I captioned the Oh Shit versus OH FUCK!!!! vote. I left the Democratic party around 2010. I doubt I will ever go back.
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I had this discussion with my daughter after dinner Tuesday (note - Olvera Square restaurants are a disappointment). I explained my partisan history (learning first-hand that Republicans are crooks, Democrats are fools, and Libertarians are hypocrites). I told her about my theory about how the Democrats can neutralize t - leave him in office letting him provide daily reminders of why anyone else would be better. Any Rs sill loyal to him by November 2020 can circle down the toilet bowl with him.
 
tenacious said:
You don't think not earning your first paycheck til you're in your 30's, or having to steal electricity from your neighbors because you're not earning enough to pay your bills speaks to one's character?
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Much like Pussy Grabber is a reminder of the excesses of the 80's, Bernie is a reminder of the counter culture of the 60's and 70's. In perspective, I prefer the idealistic late bloomer to Pussy Grabber.
 
Andy Dukes said:
Most votes are the vote against. The last presidential election, I captioned the Oh Shit versus OH FUCK!!!! vote. I left the Democratic party around 2010. I doubt I will ever go back.
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I have to tell you, as the stodgy moderate I'm kind of enjoying being the one who get's to ride the high horse for once.

Trumps bad, but at least he's the devil I know who aside from filling me with outrage, and filling the Supreme Court seats Obama and Ginsberg want to throw away... hasn't changed much that can't be undone. Why risk that on some firebrand who imagines themselves as another left wing "hero," who panders to the far left 20%, and is certainly they are the only one who can save us all?
 
espola said:
I had this discussion with my daughter after dinner Tuesday (note - Olvera Square restaurants are a disappointment). I explained my partisan history (learning first-hand that Republicans are crooks, Democrats are fools, and Libertarians are hypocrites). I told her about my theory about how the Democrats can neutralize t - leave him in office letting him provide daily reminders of why anyone else would be better. Any Rs sill loyal to him by November 2020 can circle down the toilet bowl with him.
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The taquito shop on the corner is the best food but when we would bring everyone in from around the country for a convention at the LACC, I would take them to La Golondrina. Good margaritas and passable food.

You points are all valid. If Biden's son had not died, I think the election would have been much better with him and HRC running hard against each other. Did not happen and we got Pussy Grabber. 20 in the new field. Let them go after each other.
 
tenacious said:
I have to tell you, as the stodgy moderate I'm kind of enjoying being the one who get's to ride the high horse for once.

Trumps bad, but at least he's the devil I know who aside from filling me with outrage, and filling the Supreme Court seats Obama and Ginsberg want to throw away... hasn't changed much that can't be undone. Why risk that on some firebrand who imagines themselves as another left wing "hero," who panders to the far left 20%, and is certainly they are the only one who can save us all?
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Trump pandered to the 30% of white or enriched. Scaring the rest. I left the Democratic party of over two issues. One critical and the other about who we are. I will not join a political party that is not fiscally responsible. We must run a balanced budget at some point for sustainability but most politicians are not worried about sustainability. The other, you don't drone attack 16 year old American kids in the desert. You just don't.
 
Andy Dukes said:
The taquito shop on the corner is the best food but when we would bring everyone in from around the country for a convention at the LACC, I would take them to La Golondrina. Good margaritas and passable food.

You points are all valid. If Biden's son had not died, I think the election would have been much better with him and HRC running hard against each other. Did not happen and we got Pussy Grabber. 20 in the new field. Let them go after each other.
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The local taco shop (El Ranchito at Espola and Twin Peaks in Poway) is better, cheaper, and more convenient (even after moving 5 miles the wrong way).
 
Andy Dukes said:
Trump pandered to the 30% of white or enriched. Scaring the rest. I left the Democratic party of over two issues. One critical and the other about who we are. I will not join a political party that is not fiscally responsible. We must run a balanced budget at some point for sustainability but most politicians are not worried about sustainability. The other, you don't drone attack 16 year old American kids in the desert. You just don't.
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I think fortunately for all of Trumps pandering he has proved inept and a fool. At least I’m not aware things are really much worse under Trump for the they 70%, then they were under Obama? Do you have any stats. Moreover to paraphrase B Sanders when he ran against HC, if dems can’t find someone more deserving of my vote then him... then it falls on them.

Though if you’d share some info on drone attacks on American kids we can talk about that.
 
espola said:
The local taco shop (El Ranchito at Espola and Twin Peaks in Poway) is better, cheaper, and more convenient (even after moving 5 miles the wrong way).
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The best food is Phillipe's down the street. El Ranchito has a shop in Murrieta. Our go to for fast food taco's.
 
tenacious said:
I think fortunately for all of Trumps pandering he has proved inept and a fool. At least I’m not aware things are really much worse under Trump for the they 70%, then they were under Obama? Do you have any stats. Moreover to paraphrase B Sanders when he ran against HC, if dems can’t find someone more deserving of my vote then him... then it falls on them.

Though if you’d share some info on drone attacks on American kids we can talk about that.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdulrahman_al-Awlaki
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...the-killing-of-a-16-year-old-american/264028/

Not as important as not paying our bills unfortunately. Gibbs response, made my blood boil.
 
Andy Dukes said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdulrahman_al-Awlaki
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...the-killing-of-a-16-year-old-american/264028/

Not as important as not paying our bills unfortunately. Gibbs response, made my blood boil.
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I agree, the biggest issue to me is the budget. It would be nice if one of these candidates came out and said how much we should be paying in taxes just to pay for what we’re using now. Then from there we can talk about raising capital gains, a carbon tax, spending cuts to start paying for infrastructure and grand social projects. Any pol who talks additional spending without saying where the money comes from is a non-starter for me.

Wow that is terrible about that kid. Obama is really an interesting case. He didn’t seem to relish a fight... but at the same time he would and could make very difficult decisions.
 
Andy Dukes said:
The best food is Phillipe's down the street. El Ranchito has a shop in Murrieta. Our go to for fast food taco's.
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I will say the food out here on the East Coast is better. Maybe it’s because everyone walks more and can hide their blubber under a winter coat so everything has 10x the calories... but it’s reliably good everywhere you go 99% of the time.
 
tenacious said:
That others can so easily refute? With a couple of quotes and zero research! lol... too funny.

I just think we've come to a point where we need to be honest the Democratic party hasn't groomed new leaders or have any new ideas. And in fact has wasted the last decade fawning over Obama as he let vast numbers of State, Local, Congressional (at the national level) and Supreme Court Seats fall into Republican hands. Or how they fall all over themselves hero worshiping people like Ruth G Ginsberg, whose entire legacy will be wiped out if her ego about not resigning her seat ends with Trump filling her with another Right-wing Supreme Court Justice. Then, if you read the Washington Post, the Dem plan is rather then come up with quality legislation or messages... to just redistribute the wealth.

Maybe you're okay with that... but I'm tired of excuses and losing. I want a winner and it's time I think to accept that the Dem's likely won't provide one.
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We are a racist nation, there was extreme pressure applied by those that wanted to use that (like t did later) and we responded hence the state , local and congressional losses.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
We are a racist nation, there was extreme pressure applied by those that wanted to use that (like t did later) and we responded hence the state , local and congressional losses.
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I'd be interested in seeing some stats to back up the idea that minorities and women are doing worse under Trump? I see more people of color and women running for public office and running companies then ever before. The #metoo movement has certainly improved life for women. Heck, T's polling among Latinos is up.

Now I'm not saying we should cheer T as the cause of any of this, but I'm not sure if in the privacy of the voting booth voters are going to worry about identity politics as much as you and the rest of the democratic field are hoping.
 
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