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messy said:
God you're ignorant. Most voter ID laws are recent and there were ZERO photo ID requirements anywhere until 2006.
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God you're full of shit and NEVER address the point. I don't give a fuck about 2006. It's 2020 where American citizens must show multiple forms of I.D. to fly on a commercial plane and liberals say it's racist to make illegals identify themselves to vote in an American election.
 
espola said:
I'm not opposed to that. I am opposed to systems set up that require a voter ID and make it more difficult for some people to obtain such an ID than others.
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And I'm opposed to open borders. I'm opposed to my tax dollars paying for healthcare given to illegals by calling it "government funded for immigrants". I'm opposed to creating an optional program for illegals and saying "they do pay taxes". I'm opposed to doing way with ICE like Bernie wants. I'm opposed to always going after wealthy people because liberals actually think money solves problems. And more that ANYTHING else we've talked about on this thread, I'm opposed to liberals pretending they won't do or promise anything if it betters the chances of removing Trump from office.
 
espola said:
What does driving have to do with voting?
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I just gave you the fucking link! So illegals being given a driver's license isn't bad enough. The liberals want to take away the requirement to show ANY identification when you vote. I travel for work every week. Guess what the hotels MAKE me show when I check in? You're a clown.
 
messy said:
My only question is whether "Outlaw" was beat up as a kid my an immigrant or minority, or whether it has to do with his employment. He does have a cute name, though, doesn't he? Its like half the Labrador Retrievers I know.
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And your name is like half the toddlers with dirty diapers and the other half that can't get their food all the way in their mouths.
 
One thing we know for sure...when this thing is over and thanks to the right and its followers, the rich will definitely get a lot richer. Just like '09.
 
Imtired said:
It actually exists in a lot of circumstances and almost always disenfranchises the poor. Voting is a right, not a privilege (like driving, for example). Because voting is considered a “right” then any laws that mandate voter ID need to ensure that getting that ID doesn’t place an undue burden on citizens, and it must be free otherwise it could be considered a poll tax.

Not everyone lives the way many of us on this board do. Many people don’t have cars and must take mass transit, so any voter ID places would need to be easily accessible via mass transit. They would also need to be open extended hours to accommodate those who can’t afford to take even one day off of work to stand in line for a voter ID. The elderly are particularly negatively affected by voter ID as they often are immobile.

I too am not against voter ID, but it has to be easy to obtain, free, and not place an undue burden on anyone.
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Apparently it doesn't disenfranchise the poor if illegal aliens can get them. Voting is a right... and illegal aliens have no right voting in our country anymore than I can vote in Canada or Mexico. You never gave a shit about voting until you realized you can't win any other way. Same reason you suddenly think it's unfair to show ID. Anybody can get an ID.
 
messy said:
One thing we know for sure...when this thing is over and thanks to the right and its followers, the rich will definitely get a lot richer. Just like '09.
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You do realize that the rich get richer for many reasons, right? Like growing money through investments and good decisions? Taking risks and growing their businesses?

And just so I'm clear, who do you think employs everyone else? Is it the wealthy or the poor and middle class?
 
"You never gave a shit about voting until you realized you can't win any other way." Oh, so Hillary won then? Whew!! So this has all been a nightmare.

If we "can't win any other way", then how come you keep braying about how 2020 will be a blow out for Trump?
 
The Outlaw said:
You do realize that the rich get richer for many reasons, right? Like growing money through investments and good decisions? Taking risks and growing their businesses?

And just so I'm clear, who do you think employs everyone else? Is it the wealthy or the poor and middle class?
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Thanks for making my point! The government serves the rich, especially at times like this. The banks (like mine) give the money to people they like.
 
The Outlaw said:
You do realize that the rich get richer for many reasons, right? Like growing money through investments and good decisions? Taking risks and growing their businesses?

And just so I'm clear, who do you think employs everyone else? Is it the wealthy or the poor and middle class?
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If the wealthy are employing so many people why are so many of them asking to be bailed out? My wife owns a business and she hasn't asked for a dime. The owners of the business that I work for shifted everyone to working from home prior to it being required and we haven't seen even a hiccup in our business. Most "conservatives" are hypocrites because they are all for capitalism and privatization of their profits when things are going well but they love corporate welfare and socializing their losses.

Businesses of all size got a huge tax cut in 2017 and if they weren't smart enough to save some money for a rainy day (as all of us have to do) then honestly fuck them and the horse that they road in on. Any bailout funds should go to the people that were hurt by this corporate greed not to the dickhead Gordon Geckos of the world who showed that they like our president are poor business people. Who the hell can't go a month of two without a paycheck? My dad was a marine and the first thing he taught me is that if I ddin't have 3 months of money in the bank to pay my bills I shouldn't be buying shit, going anywhere or doing anything because rainy days tend to show up every few years.
 
Imtired said:
"You never gave a shit about voting until you realized you can't win any other way." Oh, so Hillary won then? Whew!! So this has all been a nightmare.

If we "can't win any other way", then how come you keep braying about how 2020 will be a blow out for Trump?
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I'm reminding you Trump's biggest friend is the liberal party. If you can't see it, that much better for the rest of us.
 
MakeAPlay said:
If the wealthy are employing so many people why are so many of them asking to be bailed out? My wife owns a business and she hasn't asked for a dime. The owners of the business that I work for shifted everyone to working from home prior to it being required and we haven't seen even a hiccup in our business. Most "conservatives" are hypocrites because they are all for capitalism and privatization of their profits when things are going well but they love corporate welfare and socializing their losses.

Businesses of all size got a huge tax cut in 2017 and if they weren't smart enough to save some money for a rainy day (as all of us have to do) then honestly fuck them and the horse that they road in on. Any bailout funds should go to the people that were hurt by this corporate greed not to the dickhead Gordon Geckos of the world who showed that they like our president are poor business people. Who the hell can't go a month of two without a paycheck? My dad was a marine and the first thing he taught me is that if I ddin't have 3 months of money in the bank to pay my bills I shouldn't be buying shit, going anywhere or doing anything because rainy days tend to show up every few years.
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Why do you assume everyone is asking for help and/or bailouts? I received money last week and never asked for it. I earn 6 figures and never thought I was eligible for it. Nor do I want or need it, MAP, but it showed up anyway. So you're assuming 'corporate welfare' is needed or desired.

What corporate greed are you talking about? You tell me who can't go a month without a check. I'm not one of them but they're all over, aren't they?
 
messy said:
Thanks for making my point! The government serves the rich, especially at times like this. The banks (like mine) give the money to people they like.
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Gives the money to people they like? What does that even mean? The banks give money to people that will pay it back. I guess you hate banks now, too, because they're in business to make money like everyone else. And I never made your "point". Your point is at the top of your fucking head.
 
The Outlaw said:
Apparently it doesn't disenfranchise the poor if illegal aliens can get them. Voting is a right... and illegal aliens have no right voting in our country anymore than I can vote in Canada or Mexico. You never gave a shit about voting until you realized you can't win any other way. Same reason you suddenly think it's unfair to show ID. Anybody can get an ID.
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It's not a shame to be uneducated. Refusing to learn is another thing.
 
The Outlaw said:
Gives the money to people they like? What does that even mean? The banks give money to people that will pay it back. I guess you hate banks now, too, because they're in business to make money like everyone else. And I never made your "point". Your point is at the top of your fucking head.
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Correct, they give it to people with whom they have relationships. Who are not in distress and who pay back. Government money which is intended for those who need it. See how that works? Worked for me in'09 and again just last week. Thanks for your support.
 
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