2019 Women's D1 Soccer Talk!!!!

Zerodenero said:
Yes. Haven’t gone thru all details. But my kid mentioned 1 kid never played, couldn’t play (ability) and didn’t know why or how she got there.
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I heard in the press conference that most of the bribes were used to get the applicant designated as a recruit, while not actually making the team. They did not specify in the presser which coaches exactly did what. Crazy!!
 
Zerodenero said:
Yes. Haven’t gone thru all details. But my kid mentioned 1 kid never played, couldn’t play (ability) and didn’t know why or how she got there.
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So Zero-- did your DD just think she was a "walk-on" of some sort?
So were these kids actually on teams or not at all?

CRAZY!! HOLY SMOKES!
 
The good news for all of those involved is that since Manafort got 47 months for bank fraud, filing false tax returns and failure to report foreign assets on the order of millions, they likely will just pay a fine and get fired. The rich people (1%ers) trying to play like the wealthy (.1%ers) will just have to deal with the shame that their kid's don't deserve the names on their degrees (not like that is something new).

This stuff is nothing new. It's funny though how people are acting surprised that rich people do shady things. If you grew up as a minority this is seriously just status quo stuff that you just sort of accept at a young age...
 
MakeAPlay said:
The good news for all of those involved is that since Manafort got 47 months for bank fraud, filing false tax returns and failure to report foreign assets on the order of millions, they likely will just pay a fine and get fired. The rich people (1%ers) trying to play like the wealthy (.1%ers) will just have to deal with the shame that their kid's don't deserve the names on their degrees (not like that is something new).

This stuff is nothing new. It's funny though how people are acting surprised that rich people do shady things. If you grew up as a minority this is seriously just status quo stuff that you just sort of accept at a young age...
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I think shock from this came from college sports, which was used as the platform. And how easy it was to do.
 
LASTMAN14 said:
I think shock from this came from college sports, which was used as the platform. And how easy it was to do.
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Lack of oversight is a real problem in America. People can pretty much do any shady thing that they want as long as they aren't caught doing it. You see it every day in how people behave.
 
MakeAPlay said:
Lack of oversight is a real problem in America. People can pretty much do any shady thing that they want as long as they aren't caught doing it. You see it every day in how people behave.
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With the amount of money being funneled to get ones child into a university they other wise would not was a new "shady".
 
Parents like MAP have been doing this for years. I bet if you look into the deposits of club coaches you will see monthly payments for starts and playing time. Club coaches are known to facilitate these payments to college coaches as "donations."
 
I think this is just the beginning of this. Will be curious to seee how much carnage is yet to come. This singer guy can bury a ton of people to get his sentence reduced and already seems to be cooperating
 
LASTMAN14 said:
Dam! Those rabbit holes will pop up all over the country as this investigation continues.
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Those rabbit holes are in a lot of cities and High Schools as well. This investigation will only make the bribes more expensive. Does anybody with a lick of common sense really think that High School coaches or ADs aren't taking kickbacks to allow one club over another to use their facilities? Isn't there one such local club that goes and puts high school coaches on their payroll to access to their fields. This is the bigger crime. A rich kid getting a fake degree really doesn't change much in the big picture as they were rich to begin with and will be rich afterwards.

The real crime is that this seems to be happening in cities and schools all over southern California where local kids playing in Sunday leagues have to scrounge for a patch of grass to practice on in the dark while these big buck clubs get all the premium fields with lights. How can any city or school grant exclusive use to these big companies looking to get bigger to make more money? I know some idiot that doesn't understand non profits is going to respond and say that they are non profits so it isn't about money. Use your time more wisely and read up on these non profit scams before commenting. There are kids in my neighborhood that have no place to play or practice because big clubs have taken over all the grass in the neighborhood. It wasn't like that when my kids were young. At least these kids are better behaved now days. In my day, we would have made it so all these rich people and their fancy cars wouldn't want to drive, let alone park, in our neighborhood.

Somebody convince me that these coaches and city employees are not getting coin under the table. Schools and Cities should open up the fields to all parties equally. If it cost $10 bucks, then whoever pays the $10 bucks should be allowed to use it. It should not be exclusive to people that don't even live in the city or go to the school.
 
El Clasico said:
Those rabbit holes are in a lot of cities and High Schools as well. This investigation will only make the bribes more expensive. Does anybody with a lick of common sense really think that High School coaches or ADs aren't taking kickbacks to allow one club over another to use their facilities? Isn't there one such local club that goes and puts high school coaches on their payroll to access to their fields. This is the bigger crime. A rich kid getting a fake degree really doesn't change much in the big picture as they were rich to begin with and will be rich afterwards.

The real crime is that this seems to be happening in cities and schools all over southern California where local kids playing in Sunday leagues have to scrounge for a patch of grass to practice on in the dark while these big buck clubs get all the premium fields with lights. How can any city or school grant exclusive use to these big companies looking to get bigger to make more money? I know some idiot that doesn't understand non profits is going to respond and say that they are non profits so it isn't about money. Use your time more wisely and read up on these non profit scams before commenting. There are kids in my neighborhood that have no place to play or practice because big clubs have taken over all the grass in the neighborhood. It wasn't like that when my kids were young. At least these kids are better behaved now days. In my day, we would have made it so all these rich people and their fancy cars wouldn't want to drive, let alone park, in our neighborhood.

Somebody convince me that these coaches and city employees are not getting coin under the table. Schools and Cities should open up the fields to all parties equally. If it cost $10 bucks, then whoever pays the $10 bucks should be allowed to use it. It should not be exclusive to people that don't even live in the city or go to the school.
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You touch upon what I was thinking. What are the bigger issues that go under the radar.
 
I would caution those who are getting excited about this resulting in changes, as there is a very real risk of unintended consequences with any changes this might bring. There are already calls from many quarters (faculties, administrators, politicians, pundits, and prominent magazines) to eliminate preferentially treatment for athlete's in college admissions.

If that is the goal, here is your chance. The resolution of the unrelated case against Harvard regarding Asian admissions may result in the need for change.
 
El Clasico said:
Those rabbit holes are in a lot of cities and High Schools as well. This investigation will only make the bribes more expensive. Does anybody with a lick of common sense really think that High School coaches or ADs aren't taking kickbacks to allow one club over another to use their facilities? Isn't there one such local club that goes and puts high school coaches on their payroll to access to their fields. This is the bigger crime. A rich kid getting a fake degree really doesn't change much in the big picture as they were rich to begin with and will be rich afterwards.

The real crime is that this seems to be happening in cities and schools all over southern California where local kids playing in Sunday leagues have to scrounge for a patch of grass to practice on in the dark while these big buck clubs get all the premium fields with lights. How can any city or school grant exclusive use to these big companies looking to get bigger to make more money? I know some idiot that doesn't understand non profits is going to respond and say that they are non profits so it isn't about money. Use your time more wisely and read up on these non profit scams before commenting. There are kids in my neighborhood that have no place to play or practice because big clubs have taken over all the grass in the neighborhood. It wasn't like that when my kids were young. At least these kids are better behaved now days. In my day, we would have made it so all these rich people and their fancy cars wouldn't want to drive, let alone park, in our neighborhood.

Somebody convince me that these coaches and city employees are not getting coin under the table. Schools and Cities should open up the fields to all parties equally. If it cost $10 bucks, then whoever pays the $10 bucks should be allowed to use it. It should not be exclusive to people that don't even live in the city or go to the school.
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Convince you of a negative? No thanks.

No doubt there is some "politics" being played at specific schools, and some clubs and coaches play the game well. But, speaking from actually experience in my area, most school districts have very specific policies, payment plans and priorities they must, and do, follow. In the South Bay (Torrance, Palos Verdes, Manhattan/Hermosa, San Pedro), AYSO or majority local youth soccer groups get priority in nearly every case, and pay reduced rates.

The big fields with lights often cost a lot of $ to build and maintain, and only exist because the school districts and cities know the clubs (soccer, football, other) will pay the cost to build and maintain them. School budgets for field maintenance are being cut (assign blame as you see fit) and in many cases the only way they can be maintained is by users who are able to pay the bill.

You want to go back to the good old days of playing on unlit dirt fields, slowly being taken over by gophers we can no longer easily eradicate because parents sue schools who use poison? Give them free to Rec leagues and locals, kick off the clubs, and your wish is granted.
 
MakeAPlay said:
I assumed that she was playing well. Spring is great because it's a chance for everyone to show that they deserve to get on the field when it counts. I agree that there is a TON of experimenting going on that will serve it's purpose down the road. I'm glad that I get to see my player lined up to play my second favorite team at least 2 more times. If you are in town on the 14th of April I hope to see you at the new watering hole that opened up a couple steps from the old watering hole. I hope that Pepperdine wins all of their games (except for when they line up against my kiddo). Continued good fortune to you and your family.
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You know I will be there! Looking forward to it. Health & good fortune to you and yours as well MAP.
 
SpeedK1llz said:
They were probably tired from playing Pepp.
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Actually the Japanese team's schedule looked like this:

Weds: 3-1 win over UCI
Thurs: 2-3 loss at Long Beach State
Friday: 0-2 loss at UCLA
Saturday: 2-2 tie with Pepp
Sunday: 0-4 loss to USC

Pepp was their fourth game in four days. USC their 5th. They are troopers!
 
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