2019 Women's D1 Soccer Talk!!!!

newwavedave said:
Did you watch the game? That statement is the most idiotic you've seen here? I used to wonder why people went at you so hard, now I know after reading your posts here over the playoffs.

Past alumni and national championships is a bum argument. The Lakers were garbage after Kobe retired and any argument about past success was completely irrelevant, like your argument here.

IDK, maybe you enjoyed watching the two teams blast the ball all over the field with no control and out-athlete each other. It was entertaining in that aspect, watching top athletes clobber each other, But I guess I'm a soccer snob that prefers to see technical skills.
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It is interesting to go back and watch men's professional soccer from the 50's, 60's and 70's and compare it to today's men's professional soccer to see how it has evolved. Will the women's game also evolve? It has started. It's not to say that there weren't world champions but the dinosaur is dying and the game is evolving.
 
Lambchop said:
It is interesting to go back and watch men's professional soccer from the 50's, 60's and 70's and compare it to today's men's professional soccer to see how it has evolved. Will the women's game also evolve? It has started. It's not to say that there weren't world champions but the dinosaur is dying and the game is evolving.
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@Lambchop why does it read that I said:
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newwavedave said:
Looks like UCLA is losing 1-3 at halftime. I thought the game was tmrw. What happened to my Bruins? Can we make a come back? @LASTMAN14 , you seem to know your soccer stuff. What is going bro? Also, dang dude, you hate NC soccer that much? You seem to hate SoCal Blues too. I have not watched a NC play this year or ever. Tell me why NC Soccer is garbage? Their going to the finals because?
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For me that game came down to simply execution. Stanford executed in all facets from play out of the back, to passes, to crosses, defending, etc. I do not dislike NC, but that game in particular was horrible to watch. Over the season I have watched them play many times. And that ugly performance was the cherry on top. NC has enough talent on that field to play so much better. They are in the finals because they have talent, they have a coach who knows how to win under any circumstance, and is willing to employ different methods. Many of which I do not care for. AD has not evolved in his style, but he does each and every year manage to recruit top talent, win games and make deep runs. He’s incredibly consistent. When I mention Blues its out of jest. I do like that they have evolved since the inception of DA. From observations I feel Blues has changed the way they play. AR has also been doing a good job since signing on.
 
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LASTMAN14 said:
For me that game came down to simply execution. Stanford executed in all facets from play out of the back, to passes, to crosses, defending, etc. I do not dislike NC, but that game in particular was horrible to watch. Over the season I have watched them play many times. And that ugly performance was the cherry on top. NC has enough talent on that field to play so much better. They are in the finals because they have talent, they have a coach who knows how to win under any circumstance, and is willing to employ different methods. Many of which I do not care for. AD has not evolved in his style, but he does each and every year manage to recruit top talent, win games and make deep runs. He’s incredibly consistent. When I mention Blues its out of jest. I do like that they have evolved since the inception of DA. From observations I feel Blues has changed the way they play. AR has also been doing a good job since signing on.
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Is it fair to say you would rather lose playing soccer the "right" way vs playing kickball/hockey style/Direct or whatever it takes to win a natty?
 
newwavedave said:
Is it fair to say you would rather lose playing soccer the "right" way vs playing kickball/hockey style/Direct or whatever it takes to win a natty?
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Overall there is nothing wrong with playing direct soccer. Some great teams play that way, ManU is an example. But it needs to be methodical (though that comes with many nuances). When the game is played mindlessly then I definitely would rather play the right way win or lose. Philosophical principles.
 
LASTMAN14 said:
Overall there is nothing wrong with playing direct soccer. Some great teams play that way, ManU is an example. But it needs to be methodical (though that comes with many nuances). When the game is played mindlessly then I definitely would rather play the right way win or lose. Philosophical principles.
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ok, that helps me understand you better. I'm so competitive and so is my dd we want to win no matter what without cheating of course.
 
newwavedave said:
ok, that helps me understand you better. I'm so competitive and so is my dd we want to win no matter what without cheating of course.
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There is nothing wrong with being competitive. Here is another example. I play and run my men’s team. A few weeks ago we were facing our nemesis and going to be without any of our true forwards/wingers. And we were also missing key midfielders. Essentially zero offense. Typically we run a 4-3-1-2. This game to be competitive with so many players out I ran a 4-5-1. I packed the midfield. We played our typical style but defended first and foremost. Did I change they way we usually play. Yes. Were competitive. Yes. Did we play the right way. Yes. Never forsaking our style. Just more defense.
 
LASTMAN14 said:
There is nothing wrong with being competitive. Here is another example. I play and run my men’s team. A few weeks ago we were facing our nemesis and going to be without any of our true forwards/wingers. And we were also missing key midfielders. Essentially zero offense. Typically we run a 4-3-1-2. This game to be competitive with so many players out I ran a 4-5-1. I packed the midfield. We played our typical style but defended first and foremost. Did I change they way we usually play. Yes. Were competitive. Yes. Did we play the right way. Yes. Never forsaking our style. Just more defense.
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Did you play pro ball? My dd old coach played big time adult league with guys from Sockers and Landon Donavan. What level is your men's team? I did adult Mexican league in El Monte for two years. I played GK and was good. I would have played GK in HS but I played hoops instead. Do you give NC any chance tmrw? I think Stanford wins big but I want NC to win for some reason.
 
myself said:
Did you watch the game? That statement is the most idiotic you've seen here? I used to wonder why people went at you so hard, now I know after reading your posts here over the playoffs.

Past alumni and national championships is a bum argument. The Lakers were garbage after Kobe retired and any argument about past success was completely irrelevant, like your argument here.

IDK, maybe you enjoyed watching the two teams blast the ball all over the field with no control and out-athlete each other. It was entertaining in that aspect, watching top athletes clobber each other, But I guess I'm a soccer snob that prefers to see technical skills.
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Yes I watched the game. The point is to win not to earn style points. Personally I was rooting for Washington State.
 
Kicker4Life said:
Except that some of these “youth parents” have played the game at a high level and for decades. Have you? I agree “garbage soccer” is a bit harsh, they do what needs to be done in order to get the result. That doesn’t mean it’s good soccer (que the USWNT debate), it just not the prettiest to watch. It is a high intensity, push forward and press style of play. Their depth allows them to do hockey style line changes 25 min in to each half to wear you down and eventually break you. Lets not confuse effectiveness with stylish.
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Let‘s not confuse people’s personal style of soccer they like to watch with what is good soccer. I think we can all agree the point of the game is to win and playing the style it takes to win is good soccer.
 
Simisoccerfan said:
Let‘s not confuse people’s personal style of soccer they like to watch with what is good soccer. I think we can all agree the point of the game is to win and playing the style it takes to win is good soccer.
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I watched soccer get taken over three years ago by the dads who want style points added to how we judge a soccer match. If that doesn't work, the same clowns tell us you need to have a 4.4 GPA to be truly the best. "We lost to those physical hockey soccer players. We played soccer the right way but lost." Please, spare me this "whacko berry" way to make excuses when your team loses.
 
Simisoccerfan said:
Let‘s not confuse people’s personal style of soccer they like to watch with what is good soccer. I think we can all agree the point of the game is to win and playing the style it takes to win is good soccer.
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The individuals who run the USSDA would not agree.

Style is the direction these days, and indeed a team implementing the style they are looking for will win at times. But they seem to have forgotten that part of creating a sense of team is sharing in results, and viewing team achievements at least equal to, and perhaps more important, than individual ones. There was an analysis of Stanford's style versus UCLA earlier on this thread that could easily have been summarized as the difference between a team and a group of talented individual players.

It is not the Dad's who took over the game, it is the self-declared "soccer people" running US Soccer. I wish they had listened more to one Dad, a guy named Claudio Reyna (who is bilingual, probably a strike against him at US Soccer). He put together a curriculum and coaching philosophy that was abruptly jettisoned by US Soccer after it was introduced, so he left and went on to bigger and better things as part of building a successful NYCity FC, and now sporting director at Austin FC. Judging by the accomplishments of him and his son, that is one Dad I wish had more influence.
 
Dos Equis said:
The individuals who run the USSDA would not agree.

Style is the direction these days, and indeed a team implementing the style they are looking for will win at times. But they seem to have forgotten that part of creating a sense of team is sharing in results, and viewing team achievements at least equal to, and perhaps more important, than individual ones. There was an analysis of Stanford's style versus UCLA earlier on this thread that could easily have been summarized as the difference between a team and a group of talented individual players.

It is not the Dad's who took over the game, it is the self-declared "soccer people" running US Soccer. I wish they had listened more to one Dad, a guy named Claudio Reyna (who is bilingual, probably a strike against him at US Soccer). He put together a curriculum and coaching philosophy that was abruptly jettisoned by US Soccer after it was introduced, so he left and went on to bigger and better things as part of building a successful NYCity FC, and now sporting director at Austin FC. Judging by the accomplishments of him and his son, that is one Dad I wish had more influence.
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I agree, just win baby.
Although it is hard to argue with the success of the winning women’s USA team.
 
I am surprised no one has commented on the interaction between MF and KM? Is everyone trying to be nice and not say anything one way or another?
 
Pretty sure most everyone has followed that debacle on social media and other forums. Long and short is UCLA players and parents instigated the situation and KM reacted and got lambasted because nobody knew the circumstances. Bad look for both sides but the parents involved were the true embarrassment
 
newwavedave said:
I watched soccer get taken over three years ago by the dads who want style points added to how we judge a soccer match. If that doesn't work, the same clowns tell us you need to have a 4.4 GPA to be truly the best. "We lost to those physical hockey soccer players. We played soccer the right way but lost." Please, spare me this "whacko berry" way to make excuses when your team loses.
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I first heard "they might have won but that's not real soccer" sometime around 2000. Somewhere around 2005 I was at a meeting of local coaches and board members and someone said things would be better if we left it up to "soccer people".
 
Glovestinks said:
Pretty sure most everyone has followed that debacle on social media and other forums. Long and short is UCLA players and parents instigated the situation and KM reacted and got lambasted because nobody knew the circumstances. Bad look for both sides but the parents involved were the true embarrassment
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Kind of surprising that MF took the time to post something attacking on social media about it - maturity and wisdom might suggest the 48 hour rule on a devastating loss
 
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