2017 ECNL Phoenix College Showcase

Striker17 said:
So am I going to be the first DA parent to admit here that ECNL may be a better path to college based on the presence of 40 plus coaches on 04 sidelines?
I guess we may have to wait until Dec at the 03 in Florida to see the comparison?
Regardless ECNL has a jump on us in terms of exposure. Forget the Scouts I could care less since my daughter isn't a one percenter.
Kudos to ECNL for still doing what they did so well the last nine years.
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Something else to think about, it looks like US Soccer is bringing in non DA girls to their training center so I guess all the hype about developing players in DA is just that, hype. The time commitment, the hard work by the DA girls doesn't matter to US Soccer. If your player prefers 2-3 days a week of practice and training, playing high school sports, then ECNL might be just as good as a path to college play. College coaches will look at all the top players.
 
RE: ECNL COLLEGE SHOWCASE
From What I saw this weekend ... The overall talent Drop was not as drastic as I thought it might be. I do think the overall talent pool has been spread thin across both DA and ECNL, watering down some of the teams.

Personally, there is still a lot of talent to be seen on the ECNL level for sure. Personally, I know that at least five D1 colleges have already expressed specific interest (Name & Position) in at least 5 of our girls which is encouraging.

RE: DA
I think that DA still has the inside track to the National Team if that is your objective, although, some of our ECNL girls were invited to the U.S. Soccer Training this last week. I thought our girls performed well during the U.S. training, but truth be told it was a bit concerning to me that the U.S. Soccer Coaches knew a lot of the DA Players by their first name over the ECNL Girls. Whether U.S. Soccer will select the best player regardless of DA or ECNL or if their selection will be biased towards the DA program remains to be seen.

I will say this...
I would not be surprised if ECNL girls do not get selected for the National Team circuit ...as DA Soccer politics will have a say on who is in (DA Girls) and who is out (ECNL Girls).... politically it only makes sense for U.S. Soccer to select DA Players, it's in their best interest to do so.

For me personally, it's not about making the National Team, it's about getting our girls to College and hopefully getting college scholarships, which is what ECNL was designed to do.

The Jury is still out on both programs and what is the best track for your DD's, for now, we are happy with ECNL ... they passed their first test and met our expectations for this showcase ... I am sure there will be more insights to come.

Kongzillllllla is Out!
 
Kongzilla said:
RE: ECNL COLLEGE SHOWCASE
From What I saw this weekend ... The overall talent Drop was not as drastic as I thought it might be. I do think the overall talent pool has been spread thin across both DA and ECNL, watering down some of the teams.

Personally, there is still a lot of talent to be seen on the ECNL level for sure. Personally, I know that at least five D1 colleges have already expressed specific interest (Name & Position) in at least 5 of our girls which is encouraging.

RE: DA
I think that DA still has the inside track to the National Team if that is your objective, although, some of our ECNL girls were invited to the U.S. Soccer Training this last week. I thought our girls performed well during the U.S. training, but truth be told it was a bit concerning to me that the U.S. Soccer Coaches knew a lot of the DA Players by their first name over the ECNL Girls. Whether U.S. Soccer will select the best player regardless of DA or ECNL or if their selection will be biased towards the DA program remains to be seen.

I will say this...
I would not be surprised if ECNL girls do not get selected for the National Team circuit ...as DA Soccer politics will have a say on who is in (DA Girls) and who is out (ECNL Girls).... politically it only makes sense for U.S. Soccer to select DA Players, it's in their best interest to do so.

For me personally, it's not about making the National Team, it's about getting our girls to College and hopefully getting college scholarships, which is what ECNL was designed to do.

The Jury is still out on both programs and what is the best track for your DD's, for now, we are happy with ECNL ... they passed their first test and met our expectations for this showcase ... I am sure there will be more insights to come.

Kongzillllllla is Out!
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ECNL puts on great events!
 
Kongzilla said:
RE: ECNL COLLEGE

I will say this...
I would not be surprised if ECNL girls do not get selected for the National Team circuit ...as DA Soccer politics will have a say on who is in (DA Girls) and who is out (ECNL Girls).... politically it only makes sense for U.S. Soccer to select DA Players, it's in their best interest to do so.
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Honestly they won't be able to only select "DA Girls". Geographically GDA isn't everywhere.

Other than that, I was very impressed with the showcase too. Curious to see how a GDA showcase with 25 minute halves will be. Hopefully they do a good job at pairing like opponents.
 
The problem with 25 min halves is that you won't be able to see the stamina of the players. You can't really see how they perform on empty tank which indirectly will also affect their decision making. I believe this is one of the reasons many clubs prefer Silverlakes showcases/tournaments vs Surf.
 
SpeedyGonslz said:
The problem with 25 min halves is that you won't be able to see the stamina of the players. You can't really see how they perform on empty tank which indirectly will also affect their decision making. I believe this is one of the reasons many clubs prefer Silverlakes showcases/tournaments vs Surf.
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Although the showcase halves are 25 minutes, the college coaches all have access to every game the player, team plays because they are recorded and coaches can view the full game, 90 or 80 minute games. And, they can view it over and over and over again. :)
 
Having attended multiple ECNL and DA showcases with both kids, ECNL has placed a much bigger emphasis on accommodating and attracting college coaches.

DA has more scouts (ussda, pro, semi, foreign, other clubs) and I've seen a lot fewer college types compare to ECNL in the 3 years or so I've been attending. DA doesn't even list college coaches attending for example.

25 min half's with two games in a single day is ok. With only one game yeah the 40-45mins half's would be better. DA attempts to pair opponents with similar records across conferences. Southwest is pretty strong so the comp is good at the top levels but we need to dominate at the mid to lower ends of the table compared to some of the other conferences.

I dunno every year there are more teams, players, showcases to attend so of course there seems to be some dilution but the players keep getting better and the standout ones just play up and still can make a difference.
 
younothat said:
Having attended multiple ECNL and DA showcases with both kids, ECNL has placed a much bigger emphasis on accommodating and attracting college coaches.

DA has more scouts (ussda, pro, semi, foreign, other clubs) and I've seen a lot fewer college types compare to ECNL in the 3 years or so I've been attending. DA doesn't even list college coaches attending for example.

25 min half's with two games in a single day is ok. With only one game yeah the 40-45mins half's would be better. DA attempts to pair opponents with similar records across conferences. Southwest is pretty strong so the comp is good at the top levels but we need to dominate at the mid to lower ends of the table compared to some of the other conferences.

I dunno every year there are more teams, players, showcases to attend so of course there seems to be some dilution but the players keep getting better and the standout ones just play up and still can make a difference.
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We have been told that there will be a booklet with all the coaches in attendance at the girls showcase, so maybe they haven't done that in previous years boys showcases but are now doing it for the girls.
 
shales1002 said:
Honestly they won't be able to only select "DA Girls". Geographically GDA isn't everywhere.

Other than that, I was very impressed with the showcase too. Curious to see how a GDA showcase with 25 minute halves will be. Hopefully they do a good job at pairing like opponents.
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Geographically GDA isn't everywhere but almost all of the non DA girls that were invited to US soccer training center are surrounded by several DA clubs.
 
Lambchop said:
Geographically GDA isn't everywhere but almost all of the non DA girls that were invited to US soccer training center are surrounded by several DA clubs.
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Personally, my DD is no where near a training center. Honestly, after the ECNL showcase , I'm satisfied with with the results. I can't wait to hear everyone's take on the GDA showcase.
 
The Northern California US Soccer Training Center has recently split into 2 groups (Bay Area & Sac Region). The Bay Area '03-'04 group has 36 invited players. Out of the 36 players for this upcoming November session: 14 come from a Non-DA club & 22 from a DA club. I don't have access to the Sac group but I would expect a higher # of Non DA players attending that session. So I would think its close to 50/50 DA & Non-DA (ECNL/NPL) that attend USTC's in NorCal.
 
younothat said:
Having attended multiple ECNL and DA showcases with both kids, ECNL has placed a much bigger emphasis on accommodating and attracting college coaches.

DA has more scouts (ussda, pro, semi, foreign, other clubs) and I've seen a lot fewer college types compare to ECNL in the 3 years or so I've been attending. DA doesn't even list college coaches attending for example.

25 min half's with two games in a single day is ok. With only one game yeah the 40-45mins half's would be better. DA attempts to pair opponents with similar records across conferences. Southwest is pretty strong so the comp is good at the top levels but we need to dominate at the mid to lower ends of the table compared to some of the other conferences.

I dunno every year there are more teams, players, showcases to attend so of course there seems to be some dilution but the players keep getting better and the standout ones just play up and still can make a difference.
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I cannot find where there is 25 minutes half for the Florida GDA showcase. Do you have a link? I have seen the younger boys (u13 and u14) in regional showcases play with a 25 minute half, but nothing for the GDA showcase. There is also just one game scheduled a day for the GDA. And thanks @younothat. You are always helpful.
 
MarkM said:
I cannot find where there is 25 minutes half for the Florida GDA showcase. Do you have a link? I have seen the younger boys (u13 and u14) in regional showcases play with a 25 minute half, but nothing for the GDA showcase. There is also just one game scheduled a day for the GDA. And thanks @younothat. You are always helpful.
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No they don't have a link. Fake News.
 
shales1002 said:
http://www.ussoccerda.com/2017-2018-da-event-schedule

One can only assume based on past precedence . The information is hard to find. Stop it with the Fake News BS. You went left field.
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Thanks for the link @shales1002. That's what I thought; the two-day regional showcases for u-13 and u-14 has the two, 50 minute games one of the days. The national event in Florida for u-15 and up is over four days and does not show any of the days limited to 50 minute games. What past precedent are you referring to showing that the Florida showcase will be limited to 50 minute games? Did the boys play only three, 50 minute games last year over four days? That would stink.
 
MarkM said:
Thanks for the link @shales1002. That's what I thought; the two-day regional showcases for u-13 and u-14 has the two, 50 minute games one of the days. The national event in Florida for u-15 and up is over four days and does not show any of the days limited to 50 minute games. What past precedent are you referring to showing that the Florida showcase will be limited to 50 minute games? Did the boys play only three, 50 minute games last year over four days? That would stink.
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GDA is new and Boys always play full length games at the national showcases. Precedence indicates they are full length games as well as the field schedules. They are referring to 2 day regional showcases for littles. Does your DD play DA?
 
Lambchop said:
Geographically GDA isn't everywhere but almost all of the non DA girls that were invited to US soccer training center are surrounded by several DA clubs.
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There are so many changes that happen in the younger's age brackets (kids that are huge but will grow into slow, kids that are small or weak that will blossom, etc.) it's just a crapshoot for US Soccer scouts many of whom overly rely on club coaches and their connections. If you look at the list of "one and done" pool players it's apparent there are issues with the scouting process.

Enjoy it if your DD gets to participate and help her fight to keep her grades up. It will pay dividends at some level.
 
LadiesMan217 said:
GDA is new and Boys always play full length games at the national showcases. Precedence indicates they are full length games as well as the field schedules. They are referring to 2 day regional showcases for littles. Does your DD play DA?
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I stand corrected. DD doesn't play GDA. Remember it's not everywhere geographically. Thanks for clarifying.
 
SpeedyGonslz said:
The problem with 25 min halves is that you won't be able to see the stamina of the players. You can't really see how they perform on empty tank which indirectly will also affect their decision making. I believe this is one of the reasons many clubs prefer Silverlakes showcases/tournaments vs Surf.
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Surf has full length games.
 
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