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Bernie Sanders said:
When piping is installed, it is tested.
Any leaks are fixed before the system is put into use.
Feel free to ask me how that works.
Im pretty smart about those things.
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So once one of these things is installed. What's there to stop an angry neighbor from going and shooting a hole in the line as a means to ruin his neighbors farm? Also who pays to clean these sorts of mess up (where bankruptcy will make it impossible to recoup clean up expenses)? Is there anyway to guard the miles and miles of pipeline if a terrorist wanted to cause damage (maybe cause a leak over a water aquifer or irreplaceable wetland)?

I'm just asking because even though it's never discussed, I'm less concerned about the pipe failing, so much as managing the damage that can be caused by the human's around the pipeline. I.e. another project where the profit get privatized by a corporation and the cost of a disaster fall on the pubic.

Moreover I thought Trump came into office saying he was going to put an end to those poorly negotiated deals that left the public holding the bag. Why doesn't he talk about that anymore...
 
tenacious said:
So once one of these things is installed. What's there to stop an angry neighbor from going and shooting a hole in the line as a means to ruin his neighbors farm? Also who pays to clean these sorts of mess up (where bankruptcy will make it impossible to recoup clean up expenses)? Is there anyway to guard the miles and miles of pipeline if a terrorist wanted to cause damage (maybe cause a leak over a water aquifer or irreplaceable wetland)?

I'm just asking because even though it's never discussed, I'm less concerned about the pipe failing, so much as managing the damage that can be caused by the human's around the pipeline. I.e. another project where the profit get privatized by a corporation and the cost of a disaster fall on the pubic.

Moreover I thought Trump came into office saying he was going to put an end to those poorly negotiated deals that left the public holding the bag. Why doesn't he talk about that anymore...
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Nothing is 100%.
We need pipelines just like we need cars and planes and trains.
We cant make everything a safe zone, hoss.

What we can do, is try and build things as well as we can.
We can also avoid posting fake news about a pipeline failing that hasnt failed yet.
 
Bernie Sanders said:
Nothing is 100%.
We need pipelines just like we need cars and planes and trains.
We cant make everything a safe zone, hoss.

What we can do, is try and build things as well as we can.
We can also avoid posting fake news about a pipeline failing that hasnt failed yet.
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So you seem to be admitting that we know it's going to leak from the start, or you'd say it's 100%.

What I'm saying is who pays to clean up those leaks? I keep hearing how great this pipeline is for us, but all I can think is it sounds like another fossil fuel project where the oil company gets to keep the money and protection and clean up costs likely falling to taxpayers.
 
tenacious said:
So you seem to be admitting that we know it's going to leak from the start, or you'd say it's 100%.

What I'm saying is who pays to clean up those leaks? I keep hearing how great this pipeline is for us, but all I can think is it sounds like another fossil fuel project where the oil company gets to keep the money and protection and clean up costs likely falling to taxpayers.
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If you want 100%, then you better hunker up in the fetal position and suck your thumb until you fall asleep.

The pipelines are very good today.
Your fake news "leak" is testament to that.
 
tenacious said:
So you seem to be admitting that we know it's going to leak from the start, or you'd say it's 100%.

What I'm saying is who pays to clean up those leaks? I keep hearing how great this pipeline is for us, but all I can think is it sounds like another fossil fuel project where the oil company gets to keep the money and protection and clean up costs likely falling to taxpayers.
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To be fair, the Alaskan oil pipeline has been pretty successful and hasn't been too harmful to the environment, compared to it's benefits.

Pipelines have a small carbon footprint compared to shipping the oil.

The biggest problem with pipelines is symbolic in that they are a clear acknowledgement that we are going to continue fossil fuel use indefinitely. Not ideal, but reality.
 
Wez said:
To be fair, the Alaskan oil pipeline has been pretty successful and hasn't been too harmful to the environment, compared to it's benefits.

Pipelines have a small carbon footprint compared to shipping the oil.

The biggest problem with pipelines is symbolic in that they are a clear acknowledgement that we are going to continue fossil fuel use indefinitely. Not ideal, but reality.
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Looky here.
Somebody stumbled onto some facts.
 
Bernie Sanders said:
If you want 100%, then you better hunker up in the fetal position and suck your thumb until you fall asleep.
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Say I'm sucking my thumb. Say I'm cheap. Say what you want. I'm tired of seeing my tax dollars go to corporate welfare for oil companies (or cleaning up after them)... and would like assurance before they build leaky pipes.
 
Bernie Sanders said:
Looky here.
Somebody stumbled onto some facts.
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I don't think anyone is saying we shouldn't build a pipeline. I think what were saying is we all know they aren't 100% safe. Or more importantly who is liable if a disaster were to happen... as it's easy to imagine multiple ways it ends up being taxpayers.
 
Wez said:
To be fair, the Alaskan oil pipeline has been pretty successful and hasn't been too harmful to the environment, compared to it's benefits.

Pipelines have a small carbon footprint compared to shipping the oil.

The biggest problem with pipelines is symbolic in that they are a clear acknowledgement that we are going to continue fossil fuel use indefinitely. Not ideal, but reality.
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Ok, maybe you don't tow the liberal line as much as others.

Your above post actually shows your ability to reason.
 
tenacious said:
I don't think anyone is saying we shouldn't build a pipeline. I think what were saying is we all know they aren't 100% safe. Or more importantly who is liable if a disaster were to happen... as it's easy to imagine multiple ways it ends up being taxpayers.
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If you can show me how a pipeline is not a safer way to transport oil, than ship, truck, or train, I'll consider it.
 
Bernie Sanders said:
Are going to walk to work?
Maybe the next time you go to the Barca tourney in Spain, you can paddle, or take a hot air balloon.
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Oh boy, now you sound like somebody else here. Obviously we are going to be using oil for awhile longer. My comment was symbolic...
 
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