Again aware not getting into it on a public forum. Wink wink
I know they have absolutely noooottthhhinngg to do with them now
Script Flip: Presidio Rejects Surf
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Again aware not getting into it on a public forum. Wink wink
I know they have absolutely noooottthhhinngg to do with them now
They show up to Surf Cup in the same chauffered Mercedes.
Socal United
SILVER ELITE
Everyone can come blame all sorts of people, at the end of the day it was this meeting where Surf essentially said they were too good for everyone that still bothers many of these people that are voting. Whether right or wrong, a lot of these same people are still the presidio reps and remember. Makeaplay, you are right on the girls side but not necessarily on the boys side. I think it can be resolved, but will take an effort made by JH to get this sorted. No reason that it shouldn't happen, but the soccer community is not big when it comes to things like this.
Also, every club in the county has seen Surf attempt to skim off their better players. Better to keep them playing in the distant league.
Surf is so arrogant they even got kicked out of CSL.
How high was your nose in the air when you typed that? Were you able to see the keyboard at all?
Surf hasn't been about the kids as long as I've been around. There is nothing that they offer to b and C teams that many other clubs around them can and do. Surf tried to kill competition with ecnl and scdsl, didn't work.
They should live with it. How many chances do you give an organization to prove they aren't what they are?
krazysoccer
BRONZE
Are you sure about that???
krazysoccer
BRONZE
I wonder if the Pres has any ownership in Surf Cup Sports. Just sayin...
They have separate non-profit registrations, and file separate 990s with IRS. There may be a lot of overlap in control, and I am pretty sure that Surf Soccer enjoys some of the profits from Surf Cup, but they are distinct entities.
I often wished that there would be some legal tussle between the two that would result in laying out the agreement documents between them in public.
krazysoccer
BRONZE
I wonder if board members have ownership in Surf Cup Sports.
All pain from the pat aside. There are two other clubs that are acting in a similar fashion, neither tried to screw csl, and both control Presidio. Presiding members may be wise to play them all against each other.
CEO in a sweat suit, really? Someone has become a little too greedy.
CEO in a sweat suit, really? Someone has become a little too greedy.
Based on previous history, next we will discuss who keeps the money from the mud-lot parking fees.
I remember back when Presidio had its website disaster (2004-5) and representatives from many clubs met with CSL asking them to take over. They declined unless clubs were willing to pay a lot higher fees than they had been paying Presidio.
coachrefparent
GOLD
Surf is (was?) too good for Presidio:
But apparently Surf has been following the same model as other clubs, "If they'll pay, we'll give them our monogrammed uniform (and Mom's bumper sticker for her fancy car), and let them play."
Surf had a few really pretty crappy teams this year, some of which could not have competed against AYSO all-star teams. One of their younger boys teams lost most league games by the double digits. Despite Presidio not being "the right soccer environment for our highly competitive and accomplished youth soccer players," nor "in the best interest of [their]players,” this team gave their parents and players the dream of State Cup. But this highly touted club petitioned to play in the Mayor (Rec) division, and did not get past the first round.
So I guess Surf figured they needed to put these kids back in AA-C/B, etc. so they could impress the parents with the great development of their children who are such highly competitive and accomplished youth soccer players and keep charging them thousands of dollars for the Surf logo.
Presidio, knowing they and their players are far inferior and beneath this elite club, said, "No thanks."
Personally - and I am no fan of Surf - I think it's a shame that Presidio did this. Surf has brought in some great B and C team coaches the last three years who are trying to develop and I think are humble and hardworking people.
I also think that Presidio has some fantastic boys side teams.
It's a shame that Presidio didn't allow this but I can see why it happened.
I for one feel that there are too many clubs period. I wish that club was club- that there was a basic level that had to be attained before "signing the bottom line" and that the rest of us could play in a large geographically oriented league. It just seems like it has gotten out of control
I also think that Presidio has some fantastic boys side teams.
It's a shame that Presidio didn't allow this but I can see why it happened.
I for one feel that there are too many clubs period. I wish that club was club- that there was a basic level that had to be attained before "signing the bottom line" and that the rest of us could play in a large geographically oriented league. It just seems like it has gotten out of control
PSS as a historical point of interest when that decision was made Surf was in fact the Surf of lengends. I remember that time very well. It was always a lopsided game and the OC represented a new frontier honestly.
The very same year the switch happened was a Grind but it was a good one. Competition was better.
Then Slammers and Strikers added a million teams. Surf did the same. It was all within the last three years when all the extra teams got added- don't know if it was the chicken before the egg or what. It all happened at the same time.
Those were the days I guess.
In any case sounds like it worked itself out.
Surf has always wanted an undeserved advantage. No matter what the advantage you need us average people to pay for the elite and the ones that don't pay.
Strange that Mrs. Make a Play brought up the Lemay thing. Almost the beginning of the end of the good old days as far as I'm concerned.
It's business they always wanted a complete monopoly and did everything they could to preserve that image. They took a geographic advantage and built a dream- did it quite well. People were drinking that Kool-Aid because the fact the matter is the elite players had no other place they could go and play high-quality camp competition in the city of San Diego . That's what I always thought was so funny as everyone thought it was the best club and no one ever thought maybe they were the best club because that really elite players had no other places they could go .
Yes, I was being facetious about it "being about the kids". It's not just Surf, although they may be more egregious than others. For the "brand" clubs, and some of the other larger clubs, its never been about the kids. Unfortunately, Presidio's decision, which appears to be based on ego and spite, sadly perpetuates the problem on a league wide level.
Having competitive Surf teams (although not dominant on the boys side despite claims of such) in Presidio/SDDA would benefit the league and the other member clubs.
Even if Surf is permitted back into Presidio, their best girls team will be playing in ECNL, and their best boys team in DA. I have seen nothing to indicate that they are backing out of SCDSL with their next rank teams. I don't think Surf's C, D and E teams (how far do they go anyway?) would offer any special competitive strength to Presidio.
This is the course they could have taken four years ago (splitting teams into whatever league looks appropriate for each team), except that then they would have had to tell different groups of parents different stories about Presidio's worth.