2004 ODP LIST

Always great to get recognized.

Have the pool sizes really grown that much in the last 3-4+ or so years? Seems like the initial pool size is ~ double what it once was back when my kids where involved.
 
younothat said:
Always great to get recognized.

Have the pool sizes really grown that much in the last 3-4+ or so years? Seems like the initial pool size is ~ double what it once was back when my kids where involved.
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Quite interesting that you have 9 or 10 players from one team like Boca. That is essentially their whole starting lineup. Doesn't make much sense.
 
BJ18 said:
Quite interesting that you have 9 or 10 players from one team like Boca. That is essentially their whole starting lineup. Doesn't make much sense.
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Yeah I don't want to say that's lazy scouting or those players aren't deserving but normally you would hope for a broad range of players from as many clubs as possible. Some don't ever seem to get their players on these lists and not sure why? Not high profile enough or something?
 
Wez said:
Can anyone briefly explain what this is? Is it a way to make money off parents?
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In other regions of the country, ODP may have become a money maker, but not Cal South. They got Nike to underwrite everything in the Pro+ program (of which ODP is only one component), so the cost is pretty minimal. $100 for the tryout weekend, but $50/day for two full days of scrimmages/training plus a pretty decent full Nike kit is relatively cheap. If you make the ODP team, you get invited to a residential camp in Ojai where the only cost is another $125 or something like that for meals (far less than market for a 3-4 day overnight camp).

In theory, the program is linked with Congress' effort to develop future Olympians when it sanctioned the Olympic Development Program in the 70s for a whole range of sports. So, the focus is on identification of kids, development of them, and showcasing them for possible selection for higher opportunities such as youth national teams etc. They invite a bunch of kids to be part of a player pool, make cuts until they have a team, invite the team to summer training camp to further develop them, and have them compete against other ODP teams from across the country in national competitions. There is a Summer/Spring pool and a Winter pool, so two opportunities per year to get invited.

The problem is that US Soccer created the Development Academy and views ODP and Cal South's Pro+ program as an inferior competitor. So, they don't permit their players to participate. Probably hurts the ability of either program to truly put all the best players in one place.
 
Dargle said:
In other regions of the country, ODP may have become a money maker, but not Cal South. They got Nike to underwrite everything in the Pro+ program (of which ODP is only one component), so the cost is pretty minimal. $100 for the tryout weekend, but $50/day for two full days of scrimmages/training plus a pretty decent full Nike kit is relatively cheap. If you make the ODP team, you get invited to a residential camp in Ojai where the only cost is another $125 or something like that for meals (far less than market for a 3-4 day overnight camp).

In theory, the program is linked with Congress' effort to develop future Olympians when it sanctioned the Olympic Development Program in the 70s for a whole range of sports. So, the focus is on identification of kids, development of them, and showcasing them for possible selection for higher opportunities such as youth national teams etc. They invite a bunch of kids to be part of a player pool, make cuts until they have a team, invite the team to summer training camp to further develop them, and have them compete against other ODP teams from across the country in national competitions. There is a Summer/Spring pool and a Winter pool, so two opportunities per year to get invited.

The problem is that US Soccer created the Development Academy and views ODP and Cal South's Pro+ program as an inferior competitor. So, they don't permit their players to participate. Probably hurts the ability of either program to truly put all the best players in one place.
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Great reply, thanks!
 
That list is a joke.
No offense, but two players on it don't even belong in flight one, and one of them quit soccer.
Not trying to be mean, just brutally honest.
 
Interesting. That 2004 walked through the West region ODP tournament last year and had the leading scorer of the entire tournament. Not sure why so many Boca kids were invited. Another team that stood out was the DMCV as they had 4 players make the final 40. They all play up in the 2003 SCDSL.
 
SD soccer dad said:
Interesting. That 2004 walked through the West region ODP tournament last year and had the leading scorer of the entire tournament. Not sure why so many Boca kids were invited. Another team that stood out was the DMCV as they had 4 players make the final 40. They all play up in the 2003 SCDSL.
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Boca must be an amazing club? Their 02s had 13 players in ODP...

lol@ this gimmick
 
Let the kids go out and enjoy the Kool-Aid. Mom and Dad should avoid it though, too much sugar.
 
I can't find much negative to say about ODP Pro+. It is very difficult to identify the "top 100" kids in an age group - especially with DA, kids playing up a year, limited scouting, etc., so they absolutely miss plenty of deserving kids and invite some kids who probably don't belong, but by the time they are down to a 22-player team, the kids are all A++.

As far as the experience goes, there is very little gimmicky about it - almost 100% subsidized by Nike and provides a number of great experiences for the kids throughout the year such as the 04 Boys playing the US Women's U20 team at StubHub Center last year, or the Regional Championships (flying all the teams to Phoenix this year) or the planned trip for the Boys 04,05 06 to Mexico this year - all of these 'camps' are $100-$125 per kid, all-in, even for multiple days, flights, etc.

Nobody is getting rich off this and I am guessing the overwhelming majority of families couldn't afford this on their own.

So very high quality soccer, identification opportunities and a great development experience - all in all pretty positive.
 
As it compares to DA - different beasts.

DA kids are all obviously super talented A++ players at their respective ages.

ODP Pro+ is more like call ups to the National Team - you train with your club all year and a few times you get called into a camp or an event with others from other clubs.

In addition to these events, ODP Pro+ kids can also do High School Soccer, trips to play in Europe like MIC and most other one-off opportunities that come up.

DA is playing the same 6-8 teams for 10 months. Restrictions on activities outside of DA. Practicing 3-4 times a week.

If DA had a track record of developing a high percentage of U13 year kids onto U19 teams it would be a really compelling option, but since it doesn't, if given the choice, I might opt for Club + ODP Pro+.
 
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What's with all the hate on ODP? If you think it's a waste of time don't show. Otherwise you pay $200 and a ride to Ventura to play couple of weekends of games vs. good players. If you make the first round of cuts you get to go to a pretty good soccer camp for $100. TBH, after the camp, I don't think it's worth the time and money to travel out of state to beat up crap teams from Oregon, but if you want to do the trip and have fun, nothing wrong with that.
 
JJP said:
I don't know about that. There are tons of kids at $200 per, it can add up real fast.
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You can try to figure out their costs for fields, scouts, and coaches to see if someone is getting rich off this, but it's probably quicker to say that if someone is trying to make money off Cal South's ODP program, they aren't very good at the making $$ part. They could charge three times as much and get the same number of players and they could charge four times as much to create a scholarship fund to make it accessible for any of the players who can't afford to pay the additional amount. The Ojai residential summer camp alone charges $625 for the public and gets plenty of takers, while the invite only training camp at the same site only charges $125 for meals. If you look at ODP in every other region in the country, they charge in the thousands including travel costs. Cal South Pro+/ODP is always talked about by other parents as being a model they wished their region emulated.
 
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