GIRLS DAII

Whatever happened to putting your kid on the best fit team for the kid? For one of my players, DA2/B-team/ECNL is where she needs to be because she needs a LOT of minutes to stay match fit, and to keep her confidence up. I guess I could talk her way onto a higher level team but do I really want to see her ride the pine and start to feel how much that sucks compared to the glamour of being able to say she's DA? She's in a position now where she can fill in on the DA team when needed (and it has been our experience over the years that the older ages need lots of kids playing up or filling in from time to time) with the DP pass. Yes, I believe she will be used here and there. No, I don't think that's the golden ticket to DA. The entire reason we are even with the program we chose is coaching staff alone. I/my player doesn't give a hoot what gaming circuit its in because the staff is quality enough and well connected enough that I know that her ultimate goal, to play on the collegiate level, will come to fruition if she does the work.

I think its weird how any parent that is having their kid play on the B-team is getting pigeonholed into some category that they are "drinking the koolaid" or clamoring to get in line on a DA/ECNL team. My player will play on the team she is ready for at this time, and as long as she is challenged by great coaching then I'm happy. I would not be happy in some organizations where they have nebulous B/C/D teams with subpar coaching and bullshitting about how EGSL is more relevant than National Cup.

That was kind of a rant, wasn't it. Didn't mean it to be. I guess I was taking the diminishment of the B team choice personally LOL
 
gkrent said:
Whatever happened to putting your kid on the best fit team for the kid? For one of my players, DA2/B-team/ECNL is where she needs to be because she needs a LOT of minutes to stay match fit, and to keep her confidence up. I guess I could talk her way onto a higher level team but do I really want to see her ride the pine and start to feel how much that sucks compared to the glamour of being able to say she's DA? She's in a position now where she can fill in on the DA team when needed (and it has been our experience over the years that the older ages need lots of kids playing up or filling in from time to time) with the DP pass. Yes, I believe she will be used here and there. No, I don't think that's the golden ticket to DA. The entire reason we are even with the program we chose is coaching staff alone. I/my player doesn't give a hoot what gaming circuit its in because the staff is quality enough and well connected enough that I know that her ultimate goal, to play on the collegiate level, will come to fruition if she does the work.

I think its weird how any parent that is having their kid play on the B-team is getting pigeonholed into some category that they are "drinking the koolaid" or clamoring to get in line on a DA/ECNL team. My player will play on the team she is ready for at this time, and as long as she is challenged by great coaching then I'm happy. I would not be happy in some organizations where they have nebulous B/C/D teams with subpar coaching and bullshitting about how EGSL is more relevant than National Cup.

That was kind of a rant, wasn't it. Didn't mean it to be. I guess I was taking the diminishment of the B team choice personally LOL
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I know many good players on B teams, and I think obviously it is best to have your child somewhere they are going to get 50%+ play time. I just don't understand why they need a separate league, when they are the second team. It seems like nothing but a ploy to keep parents happy. And while you are realitic, I can tell you a lot of parents are not, and the clubs are catering to those parents.
 
chargerfan said:
I know many good players on B teams, and I think obviously it is best to have your child somewhere they are going to get 50%+ play time. I just don't understand why they need a separate league, when they are the second team. It seems like nothing but a ploy to keep parents happy. And while you are realitic, I can tell you a lot of parents are not, and the clubs are catering to those parents.
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Agree there are some clubs that like to bullshit to get you to sign; maybe even some of the clubs participating in this DA2 league. However I'm guessing because the DA2 is trying to keep those teams within the Development Academy construct of training and games, they want more flexibility than what is provided by just playing in CSL or SCDSL. That's just a guess, though. Once again I'm pretty jaded, though, as I started in this world back in the CSL premier days and have seen how a lot of this shakes out in the end.
 
gkrent said:
Whatever happened to putting your kid on the best fit team for the kid? For one of my players, DA2/B-team/ECNL is where she needs to be because she needs a LOT of minutes to stay match fit, and to keep her confidence up. I guess I could talk her way onto a higher level team but do I really want to see her ride the pine and start to feel how much that sucks compared to the glamour of being able to say she's DA? She's in a position now where she can fill in on the DA team when needed (and it has been our experience over the years that the older ages need lots of kids playing up or filling in from time to time) with the DP pass. Yes, I believe she will be used here and there. No, I don't think that's the golden ticket to DA. The entire reason we are even with the program we chose is coaching staff alone. I/my player doesn't give a hoot what gaming circuit its in because the staff is quality enough and well connected enough that I know that her ultimate goal, to play on the collegiate level, will come to fruition if she does the work.

I think its weird how any parent that is having their kid play on the B-team is getting pigeonholed into some category that they are "drinking the koolaid" or clamoring to get in line on a DA/ECNL team. My player will play on the team she is ready for at this time, and as long as she is challenged by great coaching then I'm happy. I would not be happy in some organizations where they have nebulous B/C/D teams with subpar coaching and bullshitting about how EGSL is more relevant than National Cup.

That was kind of a rant, wasn't it. Didn't mean it to be. I guess I was taking the diminishment of the B team choice personally LOL
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Brother: that was a home run post. We need to stop thinking that this team or playing circuit is the only pass to greatness. Some players will thrive in an ECNL environment and others will struggle mightily. Some may find the DA program the right fit and others will say it is terrible. Some players may need a year or two at flight 2 or 3 before they develop the confidence to play at a very high level.

First and foremost, find a coach that you and your kid really connect with. Teammates are important too (especially for girls), so don't overlook that part either. At the end of the day, if your kid is not having fun playing the game, there is nothing you can do to fix it.
 
chargerfan said:
I know many good players on B teams, and I think obviously it is best to have your child somewhere they are going to get 50%+ play time. I just don't understand why they need a separate league, when they are the second team. It seems like nothing but a ploy to keep parents happy. And while you are realitic, I can tell you a lot of parents are not, and the clubs are catering to those parents.
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Club soccer is a business first. If it wasn't would they come out and train our players for free? I don't have an issue with the business aspect of club sports (we can all say no to club soccer), but always remember what the coaches and directors are in it for.........$$$$. If it was about the love and passion to teach soccer to our children, why don't coaches offer free private training?
 
NoGoal said:
I don't see the US Soccer or DA crest. Got to love those who drank the DAII Kool-Aid!

Never believe everything a club tells you. They are selling you on the sizzle.

http://simplesmallbiz.com/business-marketing-101-sell-the-sizzle-not-the-steak/
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NoGoal - I like most of your posts and commentary, but it just seems like you want to crap on our parade every chance you get.

We get it, your dd is aging out and the both of you don't have to go through this anymore. That is great for you and her, but the rest of us are still on the journey. Do we have all the answers? Do you?

Can I make a plea to you..........when someone asks for advice that you have first-hand knowledge of, please share. If you are going to comment on things that you have no knowledge of, let it go. Sound fair?
 
gkrent said:
Whatever happened to putting your kid on the best fit team for the kid? For one of my players, DA2/B-team/ECNL is where she needs to be because she needs a LOT of minutes to stay match fit, and to keep her confidence up. I guess I could talk her way onto a higher level team but do I really want to see her ride the pine and start to feel how much that sucks compared to the glamour of being able to say she's DA? She's in a position now where she can fill in on the DA team when needed (and it has been our experience over the years that the older ages need lots of kids playing up or filling in from time to time) with the DP pass. Yes, I believe she will be used here and there. No, I don't think that's the golden ticket to DA. The entire reason we are even with the program we chose is coaching staff alone. I/my player doesn't give a hoot what gaming circuit its in because the staff is quality enough and well connected enough that I know that her ultimate goal, to play on the collegiate level, will come to fruition if she does the work.

I think its weird how any parent that is having their kid play on the B-team is getting pigeonholed into some category that they are "drinking the koolaid" or clamoring to get in line on a DA/ECNL team. My player will play on the team she is ready for at this time, and as long as she is challenged by great coaching then I'm happy. I would not be happy in some organizations where they have nebulous B/C/D teams with subpar coaching and bullshitting about how EGSL is more relevant than National Cup.

That was kind of a rant, wasn't it. Didn't mean it to be. I guess I was taking the diminishment of the B team choice personally LOL
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I think the issue wasn't pertaining to B teams. It was more about Girls DA clubs selling the DAII model as a US Soccer supporter and sanctioned league.

The net net is the Girls DA clubs without ECNL affiliation knew the players who don't make their DA roster will most likely leave for another DA team and/or ECNL team.
 
NoGoal said:
The net net is the Girls DA clubs without ECNL affiliation knew the players who don't make their DA roster will most likely leave for another DA team and/or ECNL team.
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If they don't make DA in one place what makes them so sure they will make it elsewhere as a starter? But then again, I guess we are talking about people that don't care if their kid plays or not.
 
bababooey said:
NoGoal - I like most of your posts and commentary, but it just seems like you want to crap on our parade every chance you get.

We get it, your dd is aging out and the both of you don't have to go through this anymore. That is great for you and her, but the rest of us are still on the journey. Do we have all the answers? Do you?

Can I make a plea to you..........when someone asks for advice that you have first-hand knowledge of, please share. If you are going to comment on things that you have no knowledge of, let it go. Sound fair?
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Baba, being in club soccer for a decade now. It was obvious the DA clubs were selling DAII as sizzle. I posted that a month or so back. History repeats itself, example ECNL had to find a league for their B teams and Walid (Slammers) came up with EGSL. How was it NOT obvious that DAII was the same? Mahrez and Younothat who have son's playing Boys DA posted it many, many, many times.

Posters want to believe what they want to believe, because club coaches are selling on a parents emotion aka their DDs.
 
gkrent said:
If they don't make DA in one place what makes them so sure they will make it elsewhere as a starter? But then again, I guess we are talking about people that don't care if their kid plays or not.
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I'm sure there will be a disparity between talent levels on teams. A bench player on a top DA team, or a DAII player at that club, could most likely make a lower DA team, and could probably start.
 
gkrent said:
If they don't make DA in one place what makes them so sure they will make it elsewhere as a starter? But then again, I guess we are talking about people that don't care if their kid plays or not.
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GKrent did you mean "they don't make DAII"? Parents shouldn't be placing their kid because of a league. They should be placing them based on play time, good coach, enjoying the game and developing as a player still. Seriously, did this new league really have to follow the DA sub rules? It's the B/sister team, all the players on the team need to develop and not be limited in their play time.
 
I think some people are missing the point. We can all agree that you pick the best coach/team for your kid.

But some of the DA clubs (not all but some like the track suit wearing bozo brigade) promised a sanctioned DA II and sold it as already being approved. So the question is even if the coach of the B team is the best fit for your kid, how can you trust a club that was selling a load of crap?

Second, creating this new league further waters down the competition for everyone. The level of play on the DPL teams will be unbalanced. Everyone would be better served if these teams were placed in their correct level in CSL or SCDSL instead of having 10 teams that you are stuck with regardless of their level of play.
 
NoGoal said:
Baba, being in club soccer for a decade now. It was obvious the DA clubs were selling DAII as sizzle. I posted that a month or so back. History repeats itself, example ECNL had to find a league for their B teams and Walid (Slammers) came up with EGSL. How was it NOT obvious that DAII was the same? Mahrez and Younothat who have son's playing Boys DA posted it many, many, many times.

Posters want to believe what they want to believe, because club coaches are selling on a parents emotion aka their DDs.
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I think there is validity to what you are saying in some organizations. I, for one, have heard and seen that dog and pony show perpetuated at several different clubs for years. EGSL was the worst IMHO. I would be fine with DAII playing in SCDSL, frankly, which I don't think has been ruled out just yet. What will annoy me is if it turns into some joke of a spring league that prevents a decent team from competing in National Cup or National League.
 
Fact said:
I think some people are missing the point. We can all agree that you pick the best coach/team for your kid.

But some of the DA clubs (not all but some like the track suit wearing bozo brigade) promised a sanctioned DA II and sold it as already being approved. So the question is even if the coach of the B team is the best fit for your kid, how can you trust a club that was selling a load of crap?

Second, creating this new league further waters down the competition for everyone. The level of play on the DPL teams will be unbalanced. Everyone would be better served if these teams were placed in their correct level in CSL or SCDSL instead of having 10 teams that you are stuck with regardless of their level of play.
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Yes just look at EGSL Spring lol
 
chargerfan said:
I'm sure there will be a disparity between talent levels on teams. A bench player on a top DA team, or a DAII player at that club, could most likely make a lower DA team, and could probably start.
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Bingo, I would even say at 12/13 yrs old there isn't much difference between #15-22 on a Girls DA roster who will most likely sit vs #1-8 starter on a B team from the same club.
 
NoGoal said:
GKrent did you mean "they don't make DAII"? Parents shouldn't be placing their kid because of a league. They should be placing them based on play time, good coach, enjoying the game and developing as a player still. Seriously, did this new league really have to follow the DA sub rules? It's the B/sister team, all the players on the team need to develop and not be limited in their play time.
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No I meant DA. If your kid trys out for a DA roster spot, and the Coach that you respect says "your kids not ready, but heres a spot on the B-team"...you are saying the parent will walk and try out for some other DA or ECNL club instead of accept the B team spot. I'm saying if that kid isn't a clear cut DA level baller then why shop your kid around to other DA/ECNL programs and risk them making the team as a sub? *Especially* in DA with the strict sub rules.

PS I have not heard that DAII is following DA sub rules. Where did you hear that?
 
gkrent said:
I think there is validity to what you are saying in some organizations. I, for one, have heard and seen that dog and pony show perpetuated at several different clubs for years. EGSL was the worst IMHO. I would be fine with DAII playing in SCDSL, frankly, which I don't think has been ruled out just yet. What will annoy me is if it turns into some joke of a spring league that prevents a decent team from competing in National Cup or National League.
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I agree, I don't understand the need for a special league for the B teams. Like I posted these clubs are selling the sizzle whoch is having their own special league of 10 teams.
 
NoGoal said:
I agree, I don't understand the need for a special league for the B teams. Like I posted these clubs are selling the sizzle whoch is having their own special league of 10 teams.
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It's their hope to keep the B team players in the club AKA money
 
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