04' Player Development - Trophies v Development

http://www.thebeeptest.com

There are beep test apps for your iPhone.
Some girls can flat out sprint. Some girls can run at a moderate pace for days.
The beep test measures speed and endurance. Also teaches them how to pace themselves. The first few laps are pretty easy to hit way before the beep goes off.
Most college programs require athletes to come in at the beginning of the season and hit a minimum number. Not just for soccer, but most sports.
We run it a few times per season and track progress from one month to the next.
I find it best to NOT announce what level they are on. Some get a goal in their head and quit once they hit it. I lied to a girl and she did 30 more laps than her run 3 weeks prior.
 
timbuck said:
Body-weight stuff (pushups, lunges, body squats) and some light plyometrics are ok though, right?

From about age 11 and onward, girls should be doing some variation of these exercises:
http://www.uwhealth.org/sports-medi...ucation-acl-injury-prevention-exercises/42908

When we started doing it, it was very interesting. As stated in the article, when our girls jumped, they landed like a brick. When they squatted, their knees were all over the place. They could play a full game without having sore muscles. The first time we did these exercises, they could barely walk the next day. You don't want them to be that sore every time, but it was eye opening how little we had been working those important areas from "normal" soccer stuff.
U12/U13 is the age where injuries starts to appear. If your coach isn't doing anything mentioned in the article, have your daughter do it at home 2 or 3 times per week.
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DD was in physical therapy for Seavers at U12 and shin pain at U13. The physical therapists really opened our eyes to doing training outside of practice to make sure the supporting muscles were getting worked out and in shape. Her shin pain was caused by her thigh muscles not being up to the level of her hamstrings and calfs so it caused undue strain on the muscles running up the front of the lower leg. Makes sense to me now but did not think of that then. At those younger ages she was getting extra speed and strength training from Rehab United (there are 3 facilities in San Diego area) with no weights. It really helped her keep all of the leg, back and torso muscles in shape which stopped the overuse injuries. Once she got into high school she started working with the trainers at The Catalyst Training Center in San Diego which got her going on the importance of weight lifting.
 
Are any coaches starting to incorporate the above items into training? Or is it only offered as a seperate (paid) session?
 
Kongzilla said:
Relatively New to So Cal Soccer - I have a few questions I would like to put out there.

Q1. What Club does the best Job at Player Development?

Q2. What Clubs in 'So. Cal' are more interested in Trophies vs. truly developing players?

Q3. What club balances both Championship "Trophies" and player development - which can be a challenge to some clubs

Thanks in Advance of your Opinions and insights
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We now know Kong picked #2, lol!
 
NoGoal / NoShow

C'mon man! I am about player development absolutely ... but I also like wining too! ... nothing wrong with that is there? we all like winners or hate them if your not one

Just because a championship game is not to your liking or the way you think it should be played does not dictate the long term goal of player development, mental fortitude, and competitiveness that we have for our DD's... for us it's a marathon, not a race.

My Answer would be both - w/ #1 before # 2 - just like at home
 
Kongzilla said:
NoGoal / NoShow

C'mon man! I am about player development absolutely ... but I also like wining too! ... nothing wrong with that is there? we all like winners or hate them if your not one

Just because a championship game is not to your liking or the way you think it should be played does not dictate the long term goal of player development, mental fortitude, and competitiveness that we have for our DD's... for us it's a marathon, not a race.

My Answer would be both - w/ #1 before # 2 - just like at home
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NoShow is that all you got? Haha!

I live in Upland and know all about RB and his style of play. You do know RB had a 2001 Arsenal team that won National Cup back at U12 or U13 right?. Guess what that team is a shell of itself today. Seriously, the best coach that can develop players and play true possession soccer at Arsenal is Hector Alcantar, unfortunately he is your Pre-Academy Boys coach. My bad, you have only been in SoCal for only a year and still learning the soccer landscape.

As for winning, I like winning too, but I didn't sacrifice my DDs development for it. I believe with proper development, the winning will follow and I don't mean my DD's National Cup Championship back at U14 or her ODP Regional Championship too. I'm posting about when she was recruited and committed as a HS sophomore.

Good Luck to you and your DD though. Hope you navigate the soccer landscape properly and most of all....make sure RB doesn't develop her to have a Donkey Kong 1st touch.
 
Kongzilla said:
NoGoal / NoShow

C'mon man! I am about player development absolutely ... but I also like wining too! ... nothing wrong with that is there? we all like winners or hate them if your not one

Just because a championship game is not to your liking or the way you think it should be played does not dictate the long term goal of player development, mental fortitude, and competitiveness that we have for our DD's... for us it's a marathon, not a race.

My Answer would be both - w/ #1 before # 2 - just like at home
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I almost forgot, I'm all for learning multiple style of plays. Playing direct, possession, defensive team and counter...but, I am not down with the kick and flick or kick and run soccer your DD plays. I predict your DD won't be at Arsenal in 2 years. #sorry
 
No Goal ... dang .... brininging the Chile Caliente, Johnny Chingas Style! Aye que Brusco!

I am not a soccer veteran like yourself, but I can say that My DD has significantly improved since bringing her to Arsenal, ball handling, first touches etc, etc ... you know the Yada, yada that you think we don't have.

All I can measure against is my experience with RB and Arsenal... I have to say I have seen Development for our DD's in all facets of the game.

I know it's hard to believe, but believe it Sister Mary cuz I would never lie to a big fat Sausage Casing with ears ... like yourself

RB, is not for everyone that is for sure ... but their is something to be said about his consistency in identifying and building up solid players, that every team seems to covet.

If RB was soooooo bad the results would not be there from the chatter on this blog, to the hardware and player development that exist, the fact is you just don't like Roast Beef (RB) .

We're good for now - we see progress / development ... just remember my 1st loyalty is to my DD and if I don't see progress or momentum then it's time to re-evaluate, until that moment ....many of the teams on this board second guess whether they can beat an Arsenal team, few teams have .... #record, #ODP players, # NatioanlCupChamps ... The Big Chile just got served w/ some Salsita..... oooooh Qui!
 
Kongzilla said:
No Goal ... dang .... brininging the Chile Caliente, Johnny Chingas Style! Aye que Brusco!

I am not a soccer veteran like yourself, but I can say that My DD has significantly improved since bringing her to Arsenal, ball handling, first touches etc, etc ... you know the Yada, yada that you think we don't have.

All I can measure against is my experience with RB and Arsenal... I have to say I have seen Development for our DD's in all facets of the game.

I know it's hard to believe, but believe it Sister Mary cuz I would never lie to a big fat Sausage Casing with ears ... like yourself

RB, is not for everyone that is for sure ... but their is something to be said about his consistency in identifying and building up solid players, that every team seems to covet.

If RB was soooooo bad the results would not be there from the chatter on this blog, to the hardware and player development that exist, the fact is you just don't like Roast Beef (RB) .

We're good for now - we see progress / development ... just remember my 1st loyalty is to my DD and if I don't see progress or momentum then it's time to re-evaluate, until that moment ....many of the teams on this board second guess whether they can beat an Arsenal team, few teams have .... #record, #ODP players, # NatioanlCupChamps ... The Big Chile just got served w/ some Salsita..... oooooh Qui!
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Develop or steal and scholarship.
 
Kongzilla said:
No Goal ... dang .... brininging the Chile Caliente, Johnny Chingas Style! Aye que Brusco!

I am not a soccer veteran like yourself, but I can say that My DD has significantly improved since bringing her to Arsenal, ball handling, first touches etc, etc ... you know the Yada, yada that you think we don't have.

All I can measure against is my experience with RB and Arsenal... I have to say I have seen Development for our DD's in all facets of the game.

I know it's hard to believe, but believe it Sister Mary cuz I would never lie to a big fat Sausage Casing with ears ... like yourself

RB, is not for everyone that is for sure ... but their is something to be said about his consistency in identifying and building up solid players, that every team seems to covet.

If RB was soooooo bad the results would not be there from the chatter on this blog, to the hardware and player development that exist, the fact is you just don't like Roast Beef (RB) .

We're good for now - we see progress / development ... just remember my 1st loyalty is to my DD and if I don't see progress or momentum then it's time to re-evaluate, until that moment ....many of the teams on this board second guess whether they can beat an Arsenal team, few teams have .... #record, #ODP players, # NatioanlCupChamps ... The Big Chile just got served w/ some Salsita..... oooooh Qui!
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I have seen plenty come and go that felt the same way.
 
Kongzilla said:
No Goal ... dang .... brininging the Chile Caliente, Johnny Chingas Style! Aye que Brusco!

I am not a soccer veteran like yourself, but I can say that My DD has significantly improved since bringing her to Arsenal, ball handling, first touches etc, etc ... you know the Yada, yada that you think we don't have.

All I can measure against is my experience with RB and Arsenal... I have to say I have seen Development for our DD's in all facets of the game.

I know it's hard to believe, but believe it Sister Mary cuz I would never lie to a big fat Sausage Casing with ears ... like yourself

RB, is not for everyone that is for sure ... but their is something to be said about his consistency in identifying and building up solid players, that every team seems to covet.

If RB was soooooo bad the results would not be there from the chatter on this blog, to the hardware and player development that exist, the fact is you just don't like Roast Beef (RB) .

We're good for now - we see progress / development ... just remember my 1st loyalty is to my DD and if I don't see progress or momentum then it's time to re-evaluate, until that moment ....many of the teams on this board second guess whether they can beat an Arsenal team, few teams have .... #record, #ODP players, # NatioanlCupChamps ... The Big Chile just got served w/ some Salsita..... oooooh Qui!
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Big Chile got served, funny.

You see, RB is a good youth recruiter and very good at finding talent. Don't mistaken finding talent and being able to develop them as one of the same. (Anybody can teach a player to do a stepover or scissors move, lmao) If not, his players over the years wouldn't have left him at uolders for Blues and Slammers. Enjoy the bravado and displaying it for all to see, because the shine will fade. I already know your future and seen it countless times already. It's not IF, but when.....you move your DD during the heavy recruiting years to Slammers or Blues. If you don't like commuting then Legends for sure!

What will be left of that Arsenal team are a bunch of players who weren't developed, because all they learned to do was kick the ball to your DD.
 
Back to the original topic - Development vs Winning
Everyone (mostly) feels that kickball is bad. An occasional long ball does spring a forward free for a goal for the best of possession teams. Then people cry that they play kickball. Whatever. Soccer matches are won and lost on lucky/unlucky bounces surrounded by pretty skilled players all the time.
What about teams that play "When in doubt, kick it out" defense? As a coach, parent, player and spectator this is the WORST tactic that a team can use. But it wins games. If your kids team is sending balls halfway across the adjacent field anytime they get pressured on defense, you need to reconsider what you are spending money on.
 
timbuck said:
Back to the original topic - Development vs Winning
Everyone (mostly) feels that kickball is bad. An occasional long ball does spring a forward free for a goal for the best of possession teams. Then people cry that they play kickball. Whatever. Soccer matches are won and lost on lucky/unlucky bounces surrounded by pretty skilled players all the time.
What about teams that play "When in doubt, kick it out" defense? As a coach, parent, player and spectator this is the WORST tactic that a team can use. But it wins games. If your kids team is sending balls halfway across the adjacent field anytime they get pressured on defense, you need to reconsider what you are spending money on.
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There is a huge difference comparing an accurately played over the top ball to a forward making a timing run vs a defender just kicking it for their forward to chase it down.
 
NoGoal said:
There is a huge difference comparing an accurately played over the top ball to a forward making a timing run vs a defender just kicking it for their forward to chase it down.
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I just finished rewatching the championship game for 04 national cup and it was worse than I remembered. Arsenal played jungle kickball and even had a hand ball on their winning goal. If anybody watches the replay on YouTube and can honestly say they played anything close to good soccer I will eat my words.

Absolutely atrocious. Surf was the only one to connect 3 or more passes and it was tough for them to do they with all of the rugby being played.
 
MakeAPlay said:
I just finished rewatching the championship game for 04 national cup and it was worse than I remembered. Arsenal played jungle kickball and even had a hand ball on their winning goal. If anybody watches the replay on YouTube and can honestly say they played anything close to good soccer I will eat my words.

Absolutely atrocious. Surf was the only one to connect 3 or more passes and it was tough for them to do they with all of the rugby being played.
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MAP what gets me is the walking. So much walking at the 11 minute mark onward . No movement off the all at all- watching and walking
 
I heard it was hot.
I think though that is a huge thing overlooked at our age group because they sub so much. We had forwards routinely score then taken off "for a rest". That goes away.
There is a you tube video of UCLA pre season training BEEP test last year. I made my daughter watch it as Annie Alvarado stayed the beep. It was exhausting watching - and I explained to her that is the level of fitness expected at D1. This current level of fitness isn't going to get anyone to a YNT level or D1.
It's funny with boys this is already part of what I see- the boys in football and baseball, lacrosse are conditioning hard. I can't speak to the pros and cons but I have yet to see an 04 program where fitness was a part of our training. It was an afterthought.
 
Striker17 said:
I heard it was hot.
I think though that is a huge thing overlooked at our age group because they sub so much. We had forwards routinely score then taken off "for a rest". That goes away.
There is a you tube video of UCLA pre season training BEEP test last year. I made my daughter watch it as Annie Alvarado stayed the beep. It was exhausting watching - and I explained to her that is the level of fitness expected at D1. This current level of fitness isn't going to get anyone to a YNT level or D1.
It's funny with boys this is already part of what I see- the boys in football and baseball, lacrosse are conditioning hard. I can't speak to the pros and cons but I have yet to see an 04 program where fitness was a part of our training. It was an afterthought.
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Now you are starting leave checkers behind and play chess. Bravo to you as it will be beneficial to your player to focus on her not trophies.
 
Striker17 said:
I heard it was hot.
I think though that is a huge thing overlooked at our age group because they sub so much. We had forwards routinely score then taken off "for a rest". That goes away.
There is a you tube video of UCLA pre season training BEEP test last year. I made my daughter watch it as Annie Alvarado stayed the beep. It was exhausting watching - and I explained to her that is the level of fitness expected at D1. This current level of fitness isn't going to get anyone to a YNT level or D1.
It's funny with boys this is already part of what I see- the boys in football and baseball, lacrosse are conditioning hard. I can't speak to the pros and cons but I have yet to see an 04 program where fitness was a part of our training. It was an afterthought.
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I have seen that video. She upped the team record. I hope that she makes the Seattle Reign. She is a quality player and works extremely hard.
 
MakeAPlay said:
Now you are starting leave checkers behind and play chess. Bravo to you as it will be beneficial to your player to focus on her not trophies.
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Thanks that means so much coming from you. It truly is a mindset change- a concerted mind set change regarding nutrition, rehab, film, mental strength, being a better team mate and player. It's a big step for a little girl I think.
Since this isn't something that coaches "teach" I have had to rely on older parents and others so I am thankful for any insights.
 
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