SoCal league ref training and qualification

Carlsbad7 said:
Sorry...

A player cannot be called offside when receiving the ball directly from a throw-in.

This is actually a "trick" play. If the ball goes out and the next player sprints to get it and immediately throws it in to a forward who is offside they have a direct line to goal.
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Yes, I know. My son's team does this regularly; it's not a trick play, but can be surprising for opponents, since my son can throw the ball quite far (he also plays volleyball). They also do the "throw-in as a pseudo corner kick" play usually a couple times a game as well.
 
Carlsbad7 said:
Maybe, just clarifying because its important. Most people dont know about this one.
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"Most people" don't know that a player cannot be called offside anywhere on the field when receiving the ball directly from a goal kick. This works really well when the kicker (usually the keeper) can kick a long way on a small field.
 
My son just got moved to a CR for a low level SoCal game this weekend. He has over 25 AYSO games at CR under his belt but hasn't done club at CR. It was explained to him they start you at U12 girls, lower level, to see how you do. He asked about U10 games since it's more money....no go...old timers have an iron hold on them. They are starting him with a slightly more experienced ref at AR to mentor.
 
Grace T. said:
My son just got moved to a CR for a low level SoCal game this weekend. He has over 25 AYSO games at CR under his belt but hasn't done club at CR. It was explained to him they start you at U12 girls, lower level, to see how you do. He asked about U10 games since it's more money....no go...old timers have an iron hold on them. They are starting him with a slightly more experienced ref at AR to mentor.
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Awesome. Hope it went well. AYSO is a great place to get a basis, and an experienced AR is a good move.

Don't forget that experienced ref, operating as AR is losing money AND doing more work because he's helping the new ref.
 
Townfan said:
for the record, this is 1000% incorrect

11.3 No offence​

There is no offside offence if a player receives the ball directly from:

  • a goal kick
  • a throw-in
  • a corner kick
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I think you may have misread his comment. An offside offense cannot be called on the 3 things you listed - which is what he stated.
 
sigmabody said:
You cannot be offside on a throw-in actually. You're sorta demonstrating the point of inconsistency of understanding of the rules (intentionally or otherwise). A goal cannot be scored directly from a throw-in, but it's either a goal kick or a corner kick, depending on the goal it goes into (as later stated). Etc.

Your initial point is correct and on-point, though: those are the only rules related to throw-ins. The call in my son's game was a pure fantasy delusion; there was no infraction. These delusions and incorrect calls are very frequent, though; probably more frequent than any other types of incorrect calls in matches.

One other oddity with throw-ins (while we're referencing specifics in the rules), which I find interesting at least:

In soccer, the lines are generally considered part of the field, the width of the lines is mostly unspecified, and the ball must travel entirely out of play to be out (ie: all parts of the ball over/outside of all parts of the line). When I was growing up, the laws specified that a throw-in must be taken from outside the field of play; touching or going over the line (ie: entering the field of play) before releasing the ball was an infraction. This is not the case currently, however: in the current rules, both feet must be not entirely over the line, but as long as one or both are touching any part of it (or behind it, of course) until the ball is released, the throw-in is legal. Ergo, in the current rules, the player taking the throw in can be entirely inside the field of play when the ball is released (eg: both heels touching the inner edge of the line), and it is still a legal throw-in. Them's the rules.
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As you pointed out, this is a great thread to illustrate the inconstancy of understanding the Laws of the Game by parents and players (so be humble out there). There is still something wrong with your understanding of a proper throw-in. Part of each foot must be either on the touchline or on the ground outside the touchline when the ball is released (not just one foot).

It is wise to take anyone's complaint about reffing from u10 and below with a grain of salt. They usually are new to the sport and almost always don't know the Laws of the Game. Or even if they played at a decent level in their youth it was likely 25-30 years back and they havn't kept up with changes to the Laws. Finally - reffing is hard, almost everything is subjective and everyone has a different line of vision. Refs literally don't see the same thing as the side-line parent or coach. Add in that the side-line parent and coach have and obvious bias and that sometimes mistakes are made.

Chill out and give the refs a break.

Thankfully parents seem to chill year by year as they get older. I get more and more shocked at sideline behavior at the u7-u10 level the further I move away from it.
 
WS13 said:
As you pointed out, this is a great thread to illustrate the inconstancy of understanding the Laws of the Game by parents and players (so be humble out there). There is still something wrong with your understanding of a proper throw-in. Part of each foot must be either on the touchline or on the ground outside the touchline when the ball is released (not just one foot).
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Yup; I misstated this (obvious in retrospect), but I have the same understanding. I just didn't look up the exact rule verbiage. My point was just that one could now technically be entirely within the field of play while releasing a ball (ie: both feet touching the inside of the line), and this would now be legal (whereas this was not legal ~40 years ago, when I was first getting FIFA certified).
 
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