Some NorCal teams with similarities to EPL Clubs...

I have been reflecting on and found similarities with some of the NorCal soccer teams to the EPL clubs. Some may agree or agree to disagree but hope there are some glimpse of true here and not all purely subjective. Feel free to comment on your insights as you see.
  • MVLA (Manchester City): Top dog in EPL (I mean NorCal). If you are good, players are flocking to MVLA, especially for the girls’ ECNL teams. Club knows it too with their stellar college placements and league dominance for many years now. MVLA still shows diligence and wants to do well, but they are no longer so ambitious like some of the competing teams in the area. MVLA may be like Nike with their past market dominance, but we know what happened to Nike without innovation but relying mostly on their Air Jordans (e.g. Adidas, Hoka, On). Many of the club fans are also plastic glory hunters, so it can shift real fast when Man City is no longer dominating with reduced interest from TV deals (I mean colleges).
  • Mustang FC (Arsenal): Others might see them as boring accountants and east peninsula dwellers, but their red jerseys stand out and look flashy. They are getting serious, and not sure if it is true but heard that they are now charging a fee to players for their ECNL May tryouts. Club has been steadily building their team pipeline of youngers to content for the majors too. And Mustang is in the ideal east peninsula location to attract talents in the area and even possibly the players from more inlands.
  • FC Bay Surf (Chelsea): Often viewed as glory-hunting Tories from San Jose. They have a chip on their shoulder versus MVLA (I mean Manchester City) to compete for the league titles. FC Bay also recruits heavily, and if you are good, they allow players to play up and allow girls to compete in the boy teams, and many more to attract talent. They really want to be the top dog in EPL (I mean NorCal).
  • Placer United (Newcastle United): No-frills team with grit and determination over flair with their small-town charm. Club doesn’t like their cross-town rival San Juan United (I mean Sunderland). Player movements between these two clubs are heavy season over season too. Not sure if the Placer supporters also take their tops off like Newcastle when it’s freezing outside but have seen some short-sleeved parents out there during the Winter State Cup.
  • San Juan United (Wolves): club is proud of their Sacramento location and seen as a “sleeping giant”, but unfortunately, it has been in that status for many years now. Having a few of the sizeable clubs nearby, including Placer United and David Legacy, does not help with consolidating talent in the area to compete at the top level. Club has good facilities, but they do charge for tournament parking.
  • De Anza Force (Manchester United): a fallen giant that swears they will win more this season. Others see them as a great night out ruined when someone makes a joke about slipping in recent years. Remembered for when De Anza (I mean Fergie) was here in their glory days. They are trying to figure it out, but something is just not clicking, especially with attracting top talents to the club like it used to.
  • Lamorinda United (Southampton): seen as a well-run, community-focused club with a strong youth academy in recent years. Many positives are cooking here with the latest development of female players to USYNT and/or college placements including Stanford. It may still be considered a bit “vanilla” or lacking the edge of more dramatic clubs, but it’s getting noticed in the Bay.
  • Almaden FC (Tottenham FC): reputation for being a “nearly” club, often finishing in the top half but not quite winning the league with no major silverware. Feeder club to MVLA, De Anza Force and Bay Area Surf. Every season, their best players mysteriously disappear to ECNL (I mean to Bayern Munich). There is a culture of “Spursy” at play here.
  • Santa Clara Sporting (West Ham United): Their fans are seen as classic East Santa Clara-ers, tough and royal base. Many of their coaches have win-at-all-cost mentality and very vocal with their players. SC Sporting may have one of the lowest club costs in the Bay without many sub tier teams in the same age group.
  • Los Gatos United (Fulham): Have somewhat polite fanbase in the league, known for calmly watching matches from the comfort of their riverside seats. Have yet to see supporters watching while sipping tea, but there were some parents at times drinking mountain dew at the sidelines. LG United is also a “nearly” club like Almaden FC with all the similar characteristics. This may be the reason why (on top of proximity) they actively exchange players between them season after season.
 
MVLA: "Top Dog in Norcal", "If you are good, players are flocking to MVLA"
Maybe for girls. MVLA has never been a club where boys flock to. Not in the last 15 yrs. They have a good boys 08 ECNL team, maybe best in the area.

Force - sounds right

SC Sporting- accurate
 
MVLA: "Top Dog in Norcal", "If you are good, players are flocking to MVLA"
Maybe for girls. MVLA has never been a club where boys flock to. Not in the last 15 yrs. They have a good boys 08 ECNL team, maybe best in the area.

Force - sounds right

SC Sporting- accurate

Good to know and get some more perspective on this.
 
MVLA: "Top Dog in Norcal", "If you are good, players are flocking to MVLA"
Maybe for girls. MVLA has never been a club where boys flock to. Not in the last 15 yrs. They have a good boys 08 ECNL team, maybe best in the area.

Force - sounds right

SC Sporting- accurate

I believe De Anza Force has a strong Santa Clara University connection with many of the former players to coach at the club and take up various key roles at Force. If so, does anyone have some ideas to why the Club has not been competitive and struggling to attract top talents in recent years? Possibly coaching style, higher club fee$ than competing clubs, and so on…
 
I believe De Anza Force has a strong Santa Clara University connection with many of the former players to coach at the club and take up various key roles at Force. If so, does anyone have some ideas to why the Club has not been competitive and struggling to attract top talents in recent years? Possibly coaching style, higher club fee$ than competing clubs, and so on…
I believe it's MLS Next and ECNL expansion/growth, especially ECNL. It used to be that all the top players would come to the Bay Area to play for Quakes or a top"DA" team like Force. MLS Next expanded the opportunities and visibility for a lot more clubs. ECNL's rise as a platform reduced the numbers of players leaving their "local" clubs. There's also the soap opera drama around club management/coaching. Plenty of examples of coaches leaving and taking the entire team with them. Force 2007 boys used to be one of the best in the country until the coach left and took the team to Breakers.
 
I believe it's MLS Next and ECNL expansion/growth, especially ECNL. It used to be that all the top players would come to the Bay Area to play for Quakes or a top"DA" team like Force. MLS Next expanded the opportunities and visibility for a lot more clubs. ECNL's rise as a platform reduced the numbers of players leaving their "local" clubs. There's also the soap opera drama around club management/coaching. Plenty of examples of coaches leaving and taking the entire team with them. Force 2007 boys used to be one of the best in the country until the coach left and took the team to Breakers.

I think @shirivelli is talking about the girl's side. De Anza boys side is still pretty strong. Their 10s, 09s, 08s, 07/6s are all pretty dang good. Not sure there's a better place to go for U13 and higher on the boys side outside of the Quakes and Sac Republic.
 
Bay Area Surf has equivalent top teams on the boys side (they show stronger than De Anza 2011/2010/2009, De Anza shows stronger 2008/2007), but it's a toss-up; both clubs are pretty close in team performance.
 
Two of the most interesting teams in the Premier League are Brentford and Brighton, both punching well above their weight, and not mentioned in the post. Brentford known for using analytics to find the inefficiencies in the game and Brighton for their recruitment, development, and attractive style of play. For a kid with potential looking for a club, who is the Brighton not Man City (aka 115 FC) of the area?
 
Two of the most interesting teams in the Premier League are Brentford and Brighton, both punching well above their weight, and not mentioned in the post. Brentford known for using analytics to find the inefficiencies in the game and Brighton for their recruitment, development, and attractive style of play. For a kid with potential looking for a club, who is the Brighton not Man City (aka 115 FC) of the area?

Sporting FC mirrors glimpses of Brentford and Brighton, though with less club sophistication. Despite lacking top-tier stars, they manage their teams well and have a knack for winning when it counts.
 
I have been reflecting on and found similarities with some of the NorCal soccer teams to the EPL clubs. Some may agree or agree to disagree but hope there are some glimpse of true here and not all purely subjective. Feel free to comment on your insights as you see.
  • MVLA (Manchester City): Top dog in EPL (I mean NorCal). If you are good, players are flocking to MVLA, especially for the girls’ ECNL teams. Club knows it too with their stellar college placements and league dominance for many years now. MVLA still shows diligence and wants to do well, but they are no longer so ambitious like some of the competing teams in the area. MVLA may be like Nike with their past market dominance, but we know what happened to Nike without innovation but relying mostly on their Air Jordans (e.g. Adidas, Hoka, On). Many of the club fans are also plastic glory hunters, so it can shift real fast when Man City is no longer dominating with reduced interest from TV deals (I mean colleges).
  • Mustang FC (Arsenal): Others might see them as boring accountants and east peninsula dwellers, but their red jerseys stand out and look flashy. They are getting serious, and not sure if it is true but heard that they are now charging a fee to players for their ECNL May tryouts. Club has been steadily building their team pipeline of youngers to content for the majors too. And Mustang is in the ideal east peninsula location to attract talents in the area and even possibly the players from more inlands.
  • FC Bay Surf (Chelsea): Often viewed as glory-hunting Tories from San Jose. They have a chip on their shoulder versus MVLA (I mean Manchester City) to compete for the league titles. FC Bay also recruits heavily, and if you are good, they allow players to play up and allow girls to compete in the boy teams, and many more to attract talent. They really want to be the top dog in EPL (I mean NorCal).
  • Placer United (Newcastle United): No-frills team with grit and determination over flair with their small-town charm. Club doesn’t like their cross-town rival San Juan United (I mean Sunderland). Player movements between these two clubs are heavy season over season too. Not sure if the Placer supporters also take their tops off like Newcastle when it’s freezing outside but have seen some short-sleeved parents out there during the Winter State Cup.
  • San Juan United (Wolves): club is proud of their Sacramento location and seen as a “sleeping giant”, but unfortunately, it has been in that status for many years now. Having a few of the sizeable clubs nearby, including Placer United and David Legacy, does not help with consolidating talent in the area to compete at the top level. Club has good facilities, but they do charge for tournament parking.
  • De Anza Force (Manchester United): a fallen giant that swears they will win more this season. Others see them as a great night out ruined when someone makes a joke about slipping in recent years. Remembered for when De Anza (I mean Fergie) was here in their glory days. They are trying to figure it out, but something is just not clicking, especially with attracting top talents to the club like it used to.
  • Lamorinda United (Southampton): seen as a well-run, community-focused club with a strong youth academy in recent years. Many positives are cooking here with the latest development of female players to USYNT and/or college placements including Stanford. It may still be considered a bit “vanilla” or lacking the edge of more dramatic clubs, but it’s getting noticed in the Bay.
  • Almaden FC (Tottenham FC): reputation for being a “nearly” club, often finishing in the top half but not quite winning the league with no major silverware. Feeder club to MVLA, De Anza Force and Bay Area Surf. Every season, their best players mysteriously disappear to ECNL (I mean to Bayern Munich). There is a culture of “Spursy” at play here.
  • Santa Clara Sporting (West Ham United): Their fans are seen as classic East Santa Clara-ers, tough and royal base. Many of their coaches have win-at-all-cost mentality and very vocal with their players. SC Sporting may have one of the lowest club costs in the Bay without many sub tier teams in the same age group.
  • Los Gatos United (Fulham): Have somewhat polite fanbase in the league, known for calmly watching matches from the comfort of their riverside seats. Have yet to see supporters watching while sipping tea, but there were some parents at times drinking mountain dew at the sidelines. LG United is also a “nearly” club like Almaden FC with all the similar characteristics. This may be the reason why (on top of proximity) they actively exchange players between them season after season.

SF Elite (Leicester City): Known for its strong GA league teams and talent development, The Foxes have unearthed stars like Kante, Fofana, and Maddison in the past. As Leicester City drops to the Championship next season, SF Elite will similarly shift from GA to ECRL, likely losing key players to other clubs. Can Leicester City (I mean SF Elite) move up, reclaiming its glory in the Premier League (I mean ECNL) in the years to come… With MVLA close by, the battle for top talent makes the climb even tougher.
 
  • FC Bay Surf (Chelsea): Often viewed as glory-hunting Tories from San Jose. They have a chip on their shoulder versus MVLA (I mean Manchester City) to compete for the league titles. FC Bay also recruits heavily, and if you are good, they allow players to play up and allow girls to compete in the boy teams, and many more to attract talent. They really want to be the top dog in EPL (I mean NorCal).

This is true. Bay Area Surf is intense on their ECNL girls side. Their weekly training sessions feature multiple purpose-driven stations, each focusing on different aspects of development. Same age groups rotate together through different stations every 20 minutes or so, guided by U13–U16 coaches at different stations. These stations target player movement, agility, quick turns, small-sided games, and other drills, allowing coaches to closely observe and assess individual progress. The rotating structure also provides opportunities for some top players to train with older groups within the same session.

While the squad remains stable, the matchday lineups shift based on opponents, fitness, and form, mirroring the dynamics of D1 college and professional teams. This fosters competition for roster spots, increasing pressure, particularly for fringe players. However, those who adapt to Bay Area Surf's system emerge well-prepared for the demand of college soccer, accustomed to rigorous training and earning their place in the lineup.
 
  • Mustang FC (Arsenal): Others might see them as boring accountants and east peninsula dwellers, but their red jerseys stand out and look flashy. They are getting serious, and not sure if it is true but heard that they are now charging a fee to players for their ECNL May tryouts. Club has been steadily building their team pipeline of youngers to content for the majors too. And Mustang is in the ideal east peninsula location to attract talents in the area and even possibly the players from more inlands.

Bay Area lifer and I’ve never heard “east peninsula” to describe the east bay suburbs. Interesting to see Mustang described as “getting serious” and “steadily building their team pipeline” since their position as a top 2 or 3 dog on the girls’ side was pretty solid not that long ago. I have not paid attention to Bay Area elite club soccer for a bit so I’m not saying this is inaccurate today (I have no way of knowing).
 
Bay Area lifer and I’ve never heard “east peninsula” to describe the east bay suburbs. Interesting to see Mustang described as “getting serious” and “steadily building their team pipeline” since their position as a top 2 or 3 dog on the girls’ side was pretty solid not that long ago. I have not paid attention to Bay Area elite club soccer for a bit so I’m not saying this is inaccurate today (I have no way of knowing).
I don't think it's changed. MVLA in the west and Mustang in the east, right? Respective connections to Stanford and Cal.

I don't know much about MVLA other than they're the minor leagues for top D1 programs but Mustang has been 5 teams deep, at every age, for as long as I can remember. I think Rage was similar.
 
I don't think it's changed. MVLA in the west and Mustang in the east, right? Respective connections to Stanford and Cal.

I don't know much about MVLA other than they're the minor leagues for top D1 programs but Mustang has been 5 teams deep, at every age, for as long as I can remember. I think Rage was similar.

Mustang ECNL Girls are not doing so well overall, except G12. Are players leaving for other clubs when they get older or some internal issues at play her with the club on the girls ECNL side?


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Mustang ECNL Girls are not doing so well overall, except G12. Are players leaving for other clubs when they get older or some internal issues at play her with the club on the girls ECNL side?


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Both the boys and girls sides tend to lose their best players by u16. For the boys, they go to MLS Next. For the girls, a few top ones move to BA Surf, De Anza or MVLA.
 
Both the boys and girls sides tend to lose their best players by u16. For the boys, they go to MLS Next. For the girls, a few top ones move to BA Surf, De Anza or MVLA.

Really??!! Mustang ECNL, particularly on the girls' side, was once a strong pipeline for players heading to Cal. Given its favorable east-side location, especially in contrast to the dense cluster of ECNL clubs like MVLA, BA Surf, and Force, it’s puzzling that Mustang is now losing many of its top players.

There may be underlying internal challenges, possibly linked to an increase in pay-to-play rosters over the years, which could be contributing to a recent decline in college placements there. It's just a tipping point once a club gets complacent.
 
  • FC Bay Surf (Chelsea): Often viewed as glory-hunting Tories from San Jose. They have a chip on their shoulder versus MVLA (I mean Manchester City) to compete for the league titles. FC Bay also recruits heavily, and if you are good, they allow players to play up and allow girls to compete in the boy teams, and many more to attract talent. They really want to be the top dog in EPL (I mean NorCal).

How did FC Bay Area send 24 players to D1/D3 college soccer in one graduating class? Unreal! I know they always had Duke ties, but they must have other connections too. Well done!

 
How did FC Bay Area send 24 players to D1/D3 college soccer in one graduating class? Unreal! I know they always had Duke ties, but they must have other connections too. Well done!

Isn't that the group that used to play for Deza?

Where did that maestro wind up?
 
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