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Desert Hound said:
That plane goes to the US military. Not Trump.

By the way...

You know where the largest US military facility is in the Middle East?

Al Udeid Air Base:
  • Function:
    Al Udeid is a key logistics, command, and basing hub for U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) operations in the region.

  • Headquarters:
    It houses the headquarters of U.S. Central Command Forward, U.S. Air Force Central Command Forward, and U.S. Special Operations Command Central Command Forward.

    • Other Entities:
      It also hosts the Combined Joint Interagency Task Force – Syria, U.S. Central Command's Combined Air Operations Center, and the U.S. Air Force's 379th Air Expeditionary Wing.
    • Role in Operations:
      Al Udeid plays a key role in U.S. air operations in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria, and oversees U.S. airstrikes in these countries.
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They are not our friends.
 
Desert Hound said:
That plane goes to the US military. Not Trump.

By the way...

You know where the largest US military facility is in the Middle East?

Al Udeid Air Base:
  • Function:
    Al Udeid is a key logistics, command, and basing hub for U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) operations in the region.

  • Headquarters:
    It houses the headquarters of U.S. Central Command Forward, U.S. Air Force Central Command Forward, and U.S. Special Operations Command Central Command Forward.

    • Other Entities:
      It also hosts the Combined Joint Interagency Task Force – Syria, U.S. Central Command's Combined Air Operations Center, and the U.S. Air Force's 379th Air Expeditionary Wing.
    • Role in Operations:
      Al Udeid plays a key role in U.S. air operations in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria, and oversees U.S. airstrikes in these countries.
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If the Qataris want to give the Pentagon a $400M plane, then I'm ok with that. As we then have to spend a few hundred million to make it operational as a replacement or alternative to AF1, I'm probably ok with that.

However, if Trump is going to bequeath the plane to his library, which would allow him to then use it as a private citizen after he has left office, then I'm not OK with that. If he, or his "library", wants to reimburse us for the money spent, and for the money that will then need to be spent to take out all the tech etc. that we put into the plane, then sure, plus obv. the fair market price of the plane. When all is said and done, it's probably around the $1B mark ($400M + outfit it for AF1 + de-outfit from being AF1) that the Trump library should cut a check for, payable to US gov, aka US taxpayers. In that circumstance, I'd be OK with his "library" having it.

It brings a new meaning to the mobile library business!
 
Desert Hound said:
That plane goes to the US military. Not Trump.

By the way...

You know where the largest US military facility is in the Middle East?

Al Udeid Air Base:
  • Function:
    Al Udeid is a key logistics, command, and basing hub for U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) operations in the region.

  • Headquarters:
    It houses the headquarters of U.S. Central Command Forward, U.S. Air Force Central Command Forward, and U.S. Special Operations Command Central Command Forward.

    • Other Entities:
      It also hosts the Combined Joint Interagency Task Force – Syria, U.S. Central Command's Combined Air Operations Center, and the U.S. Air Force's 379th Air Expeditionary Wing.
    • Role in Operations:
      Al Udeid plays a key role in U.S. air operations in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria, and oversees U.S. airstrikes in these countries.
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Please continue.
 
whatithink said:
If the Qataris want to give the Pentagon a $400M plane, then I'm ok with that. As we then have to spend a few hundred million to make it operational as a replacement or alternative to AF1, I'm probably ok with that.

However, if Trump is going to bequeath the plane to his library, which would allow him to then use it as a private citizen after he has left office, then I'm not OK with that. If he, or his "library", wants to reimburse us for the money spent, and for the money that will then need to be spent to take out all the tech etc. that we put into the plane, then sure, plus obv. the fair market price of the plane. When all is said and done, it's probably around the $1B mark ($400M + outfit it for AF1 + de-outfit from being AF1) that the Trump library should cut a check for, payable to US gov, aka US taxpayers. In that circumstance, I'd be OK with his "library" having it.

It brings a new meaning to the mobile library business!
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It's just not a good idea to accept the jet. Maybe the Qataris could wait and donate it directly to his library after he completes his term.

For just about everyone the White House and AF1 would be a major upgrade, but apparently Trump feels like he is slumming it.
 
whatithink said:
If the Qataris want to give the Pentagon a $400M plane, then I'm ok with that. As we then have to spend a few hundred million to make it operational as a replacement or alternative to AF1, I'm probably ok with that.

However, if Trump is going to bequeath the plane to his library, which would allow him to then use it as a private citizen after he has left office, then I'm not OK with that. If he, or his "library", wants to reimburse us for the money spent, and for the money that will then need to be spent to take out all the tech etc. that we put into the plane, then sure, plus obv. the fair market price of the plane. When all is said and done, it's probably around the $1B mark ($400M + outfit it for AF1 + de-outfit from being AF1) that the Trump library should cut a check for, payable to US gov, aka US taxpayers. In that circumstance, I'd be OK with his "library" having it.

It brings a new meaning to the mobile library business!
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If the current Congress is willing to ignore the emoluments clause of the Constitution on the technicality that it is actually a gift to the DoD, they will have another opportunity to show their true colors on the question of an authorization to spend the money to convert it (and later deconvert it). I suppose an elegant compromise would be to accept the "gift" now and then spend 4 or more years debating about the conversion money while the flying whorehouse sits baking in the desert sun somewhere in New Mexico.

Article I, Section 9, Clause 8:

No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.
 
watfly said:
It's just not a good idea to accept the jet. Maybe the Qataris could wait and donate it directly to his library after he completes his term.

For just about everyone the White House and AF1 would be a major upgrade, but apparently Trump feels like he is slumming it.
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Every President gets gifts, but obviously they can't keep them but accept them on behalf of the nation. This one is a bit out there ... but 🤷‍♂️.

Boeing is a bit of a disaster. The replacement was commissioned during Trump's first term. It might be ready in 2027. How could the gift be upgraded for a "few" hundred million and be operational, when Boeing can't build a replacement for $3.9B (fixed price contract) PLUS $2.5B in overruns (note, its for 2 identical planes). It makes no sense.
 
watfly said:
It's just not a good idea to accept the jet. Maybe the Qataris could wait and donate it directly to his library after he completes his term.

For just about everyone the White House and AF1 would be a major upgrade, but apparently Trump feels like he is slumming it.
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What is the difference between a bribe and a promise of a bribe later?
 
espola said:
If the current Congress is willing to ignore the emoluments clause of the Constitution on the technicality that it is actually a gift to the DoD, they will have another opportunity to show their true colors on the question of an authorization to spend the money to convert it (and later deconvert it). I suppose an elegant compromise would be to accept the "gift" now and then spend 4 or more years debating about the conversion money while the flying whorehouse sits baking in the desert sun somewhere in New Mexico.

Article I, Section 9, Clause 8:

No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.
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It is funny how there doesn't appear to be a problem with the money needed to convert the plane.
 
whatithink said:
Every President gets gifts, but obviously they can't keep them but accept them on behalf of the nation. This one is a bit out there ... but 🤷‍♂️.

Boeing is a bit of a disaster. The replacement was commissioned during Trump's first term. It might be ready in 2027. How could the gift be upgraded for a "few" hundred million and be operational, when Boeing can't build a replacement for $3.9B (fixed price contract) PLUS $2.5B in overruns (note, its for 2 identical planes). It makes no sense.
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Boeing's downfall is similar to that of HP -- a thriving, highly respected business merged with a failing competitor and then kept the name of the thriving business but adopted the business management methods of the competitor.
 
whatithink said:
Every President gets gifts, but obviously they can't keep them but accept them on behalf of the nation. This one is a bit out there ... but 🤷‍♂️.

Boeing is a bit of a disaster. The replacement was commissioned during Trump's first term. It might be ready in 2027. How could the gift be upgraded for a "few" hundred million and be operational, when Boeing can't build a replacement for $3.9B (fixed price contract) PLUS $2.5B in overruns (note, its for 2 identical planes). It makes no sense.
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It was actually started under Obama. Trump re did the deal. So that means Boeing has been dicking around for even longer. They may have it done by 2035? What a joke.

If it ends up at his library sitting there I don't care. My issue would be if he used it after his term to fly around. He has his own jet he can use.
 
espola said:
If the current Congress is willing to ignore the emoluments clause of the Constitution on the technicality that it is actually a gift to the DoD, they will have another opportunity to show their true colors on the question of an authorization to spend the money to convert it (and later deconvert it). I suppose an elegant compromise would be to accept the "gift" now and then spend 4 or more years debating about the conversion money while the flying whorehouse sits baking in the desert sun somewhere in New Mexico.

Article I, Section 9, Clause 8:

No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.
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Forgot to put the source of my quote --

 
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