CFA? (girls side)
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zags77
SILVER ELITE
Oh the data.....
No rankings should be taken into account for anything 7v7 or 9v9 the kids are simply too young to really have an understanding of a good team. I'm not discounting there are good teams and players at those age groups but the cream slowly rises to the top when 11v11 begins. It would be healthy to do away with those rankings are they are misconstrued....
Like any other OC club, they start them and when its time to jump for the patches, others take them, way too many options in the OC with SLAMMERS, BLUES and SO CAL REDS.....This is why we see a drop off for CFA in DPL at these ages....
2012 is 51st!!!! They are in 10th place in the DPL league, something doesn't add up and this again where the rankings site is skewed....
CFA has been in DPL for 2 years, never won a DPL championship and has 1 brilliant 2007/08 team to hang their hat on! Is that enough to promote a club in the 2nd tier of GA? Personally I don't think so and the proof is in the performance in the league they are currently in....
You moron. Saving for college has nothing to do with playing in college.Yah, like start saving for college...
I know grandma treadmills to generate enough juice for your AOL, but I recommend you aim for sobriety during your 5 minute cyber nutting.
RandomSoccerFan
PREMIER
The more you try and explain - the more it becomes clear that you don't know what you're talking about. The rankings are no more "skewed" whether it's an 8 yr old 7v7 team or a U17 11v11 team, and whether they are playing flight 4, or fighting for a national championship. If you actually looked into it - you'd not only understand that, but you'd stop embarrassing yourself in threads like this. Two things can be true at the same time - a team can be bottom-ranked in their league, while also being highly ranked when compared to all teams of the age. But for the 2012 team you're screaming about, they are playing in the 2011 age group (U14) 1 year up in Flight1, and they are holding their own (link). The team they have in DPL is actually 3 goals weaker (and is #211 in state). You'd have to ask them why their strongest team for the age by several goals is in flight 1 rather than DPL, but as another poster has mentioned, they have a ton of locations, so it's probably geographically related.
All the ratings are calculated by how the team plays against another rated team. That's it. It will pick the right winner (a higher rated team will beat a lower rated team) 5 out of 6 times. Arguing against their accuracy is a fools errand - in that of course it can't predict the future, and of course any prediction is going to be wrong from time to time. But it's going to make a better guess than almost any random human, or just by looking at a standings bracket - no matter how stubborn someone wants to believe they know better. Every game that's played gives the model more recent data to adjust a team's rating accordingly.
Now an argument can be made that winning doesn't matter at all up to a certain age - and maybe to an extent that has some merit. SoCal blanks the score results on their scheduling sheets for the youngers, in support of that concept. But as long as soccer games are scored by one team getting more goals than the other - people keeping track of their team's results are going to end up using them. To your point - choosing a team at 8 years old only by how many wins they have is pretty silly. Ignoring the team's performance entirely is IMO equally silly, and isn't what happens in the real world either.
The 2012 team ranked is actually NPL not DPL.
They are actually a NPL team playing in NPL 2012. Its a good team, well coached.
RandomSoccerFan
PREMIER
Every team is "ranked", right? It's just unexpected that of these 2012G teams, the NPL one is ranked #52 in state (now), while the DPL one is ranked #210.
All I (and any other random on the internet) can see is what's on the app and the supporting links it shows. If anyone has personal knowledge of the team - they can certainly understand more. But it sure looks like the 2012 team plays in U14 Flight 1, against other teams that are mostly 2011. Flight 1 may be considered NPL in SoCal league, but I may also certainly be mistaken. Their latest game results show a 2-0 win over Culver City 2011G on 5/3.
DPL team:
NPL team:
(link to bracket results)
The ranking app is the best guess you have right? This NPL team played in NPL in the fall - I don't think they have NPL for spring I could be mistaken - so its socal flight 1 for spring. A lot of NPL teams are independent/one offs - its one of the few places a single team can get into higher play versus the ECNL/GA requirements for a team in every division. In my limited experience on the circuit I've found NPL teams to be generally better than DPL teams, for whatever that is worth.
RandomSoccerFan
PREMIER
Yes - it looks like they played NPL U13 in the fall (and now flight 1 U14 for the spring). Here's the link to the bracket.
Within the ranking app, it lists all entries of any league/tournament that it can find and link for a team entity - that's how it works. To see everywhere a team played, just hit Sources, then it will list them. From there you can click on them to see details, and from there it provides a link to the source data at GotSport or wherever else if it still exists. This is the info that you can verify or correct if you're familiar with a team and realize it's not including something - or has included something it shouldn't.
You can see the average rating of their opponents over the past 12 months, and it shows as 42.58 - which puts the opponents as #39th strongest in the state for that age. It's a little misleading as their opponents are mainly a year older, so they aren't 39th in the state at their own age, they are significantly lower - it's where they would be if placed a year younger.
RandomSoccerFan
PREMIER
You're not wrong. It looks like at least at this age, the NPL bracket is noticeably stronger than the DPL bracket of the same age, other than 1 or 2 outlier teams in DPL.
There was a 2nd bracket for NPL Girls 2012 last fall also - San Diego teams mainly I think - Rebels San Diego, South Bay Surf, Sporting CA, Cardiff Sockers, PYSL Blast, SDSC Surf Escondido.
I have no qualms with the ranking app, its as good an effort as there is going to be - there are only a few chances (tournaments - some more expensive than others) a year to get to that top 50ish level of competition if you aren't in the ECNL or GA for girls.
The main thing I have heard negative about the DPL from several coaches/parents/etc - is you are driving long distances for sub par competition. But all these leagues have a certain amount of driving - its just the ECNL/GA model has all the games in one location each weekend club wide, so coaches can double/triple dip on teams, etc.
I'd imagine the GA is working hard to get numbers up in socal area so they have 16 teams, and also working to get GA aspire to mirror ECNL/ECRL. They aren't there yet.
Socal GA and ECNL have the same issue. There's 2 maybe 3 top clubs that win southwest league every season + everyone else.
Bringing on new clubs to provide competition for the top southwest clubs won't work if you're looking to promote from each leagues 2nd tier. This is because the top clubs are so good they'll just run the score up on the new teams.
I don't really have a solution. Maybe CFA can make the jump to GA in the future and be competitive. Playing for a smaller club when kids are younger is the way to go. Everyone knows everyone + it's just more enjoyable.
Playing for a smaller club when kids are younger is the way to go. Everyone knows everyone + it's just more enjoyable.
AMEN!
JeterwastheBEST
SILVER ELITE
Now we know why there are less and less subscribers to this list Howie....
JeterwastheBEST
SILVER ELITE
"Strong" is in the eye of the beholder as most of these clubs cheat the system by schillin' GA players to the DPL games and NPL engages in the same level of intra-club nonsense when it suits them...
RandomSoccerFan
PREMIER
Not really. That rating is how those teams are expected to play. There very well may be shenanigans with some rosters - but the results are the results no matter who is playing, and those are the game results that can be expected - shenanigans included.
On the girls' side in SoCal (and in the country), there are the Blues and Slammers Koge and then everything else...
It'll be a commitment and a drive... but since you mention you guys are coming from a top team in SE... might as well look into the best...
It'll be a commitment and a drive... but since you mention you guys are coming from a top team in SE... might as well look into the best...
Soccerjunkie24
SILVER
The only thing that is constant in OC Soccer is that players move.