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kickingandscreaming said:
Oh. Look. Deep State election interference. Shocking, right? The Deep State thinks democracy is overrated. I wonder why this hasn’t come out the past 4 years?

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Space Force went up to space to set up the biggest Sting ever before 2020 election and came back after the midterms in 2022 because this was the biggest heist ever. "We caught them all" is no joke. Military has always been in charge bro.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Yes, but “orange man bad” trumps anything. Remember, these guys are part of the 27% that believe the Dems are doing the right things. The irony of it all is liberal women are the only thing propping up the leftist extremism to that level.

The problem for Dems is that a lot of people still don’t know the depth of corruption that is already documented, and there’s the potential for much more to come out. It’s why they are losing their minds over the DOGE audit. Well, that and the fact that their gravy train is coming to an end. Details on J6 and the Epstein Client list could be damning as well. I predict an increase in the public displays of mental illness.
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I see it a little differently. While there is no doubt a lot of corruption and gravy train riding, I think its less about $ and more about control. What Trump is doing, and not very smoothly in some cases, is a threat to the Dem's bureaucratic control. Trump's power is not a threat to democracy, but a threat to bureaucracy. Dem's believe the government should provide and academic elite's, or so-called experts, should define. Republican's tend to be more about individual accountability (with exceptions of course), as opposed to victimhood and group identity.

I haven't really bought into the whole mental illness thing, but given all the Tesla actions and people's inability to even say Trump's name I'm beginning to believe it. Just look at the people protesting and vandalizing the Teslas, quite a number of them don't look like they have elevators that go all the way to the top.
 
watfly said:
I see it a little differently. While there is no doubt a lot of corruption and gravy train riding, I think its less about $ and more about control. What Trump is doing, and not very smoothly in some cases, is a threat to the Dem's bureaucratic control. Trump's power is not a threat to democracy, but a threat to bureaucracy. Dem's believe the government should provide and academic elite's, or so-called experts, should define. Republican's tend to be more about individual accountability (with exceptions of course), as opposed to victimhood and group identity.

I haven't really bought into the whole mental illness thing, but given all the Tesla actions and people's inability to even say Trump's name I'm beginning to believe it. Just look at the people protesting and vandalizing the Teslas, quite a number of them don't look like they have elevators that go all the way to the top.
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And what happens to that “individual accountability” and “Trump’s power” when he is gone? Or are we living in another North Korea?
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Yes, but “orange man bad” trumps anything. Remember, these guys are part of the 27% that believe the Dems are doing the right things. The irony of it all is liberal women are the only thing propping up the leftist extremism to that level.

The problem for Dems is that a lot of people still don’t know the depth of corruption that is already documented, and there’s the potential for much more to come out. It’s why they are losing their minds over the DOGE audit. Well, that and the fact that their gravy train is coming to an end. Details on J6 and the Epstein Client list could be damning as well. I predict an increase in the public displays of mental illness.
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Update: Democrats in Congress no longer have a 27% approval rating. It’s now 21% ☠️ DAMN!!!!! 😂😂😂

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kickingandscreaming said:
Update: Democrats in Congress no longer have a 27% approval rating. It’s now 21% ☠️ DAMN!!!!! 😂😂😂

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Oh yeah, this will help! 😂😂😂. It’s sad to see these fools and their elephantine lack of self-awareness. No, just kidding. It’s HILARIOUS!!!

So, what is it? What keeps them barreling down this losing path? Do some fear their theft of taxpayer funds will soon be uncovered? Are they being blackmailed? I just have difficulty believing they are THIS stupid. Maybe I underestimate them.


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kickingandscreaming said:
Oh yeah, this will help! 😂😂😂. It’s sad to see these fools and their elephantine lack of self-awareness. No, just kidding. It’s HILARIOUS!!!

So, what is it? What keeps them barreling down this losing path? Do some fear their theft of taxpayer funds will soon be uncovered? Are they being blackmailed? I just have difficulty believing they are THIS stupid. Maybe I underestimate them.


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His staffer was arrested for bringing a gun as well. I think it's blackmail and the kind that makes them do this or else.
 
He looks high on crack or something. Staffer has a gun that is not registered. Not a good look. The left has lost it's mind.

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kickingandscreaming said:
Oh yeah, this will help! 😂😂😂. It’s sad to see these fools and their elephantine lack of self-awareness. No, just kidding. It’s HILARIOUS!!!

So, what is it? What keeps them barreling down this losing path? Do some fear their theft of taxpayer funds will soon be uncovered? Are they being blackmailed? I just have difficulty believing they are THIS stupid. Maybe I underestimate them.


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Imagine the smell.
 
watfly said:
I see it a little differently. While there is no doubt a lot of corruption and gravy train riding, I think its less about $ and more about control. What Trump is doing, and not very smoothly in some cases, is a threat to the Dem's bureaucratic control. Trump's power is not a threat to democracy, but a threat to bureaucracy. Dem's believe the government should provide and academic elite's, or so-called experts, should define. Republican's tend to be more about individual accountability (with exceptions of course), as opposed to victimhood and group identity.

I haven't really bought into the whole mental illness thing, but given all the Tesla actions and people's inability to even say Trump's name I'm beginning to believe it. Just look at the people protesting and vandalizing the Teslas, quite a number of them don't look like they have elevators that go all the way to the top.
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There's lots of hyperbole about fraud and corruption and yet not a single case that I can find has been initiated against a single person or organization to date, so I'd take all that with a grain of salt, at the moment. I've no doubt there's plenty of gravy train riding, which is, I expect the euphemism for "abuse", but that's been going on through every admin for decades - and should undoubtedly be stopped.

Trump's power, or the limits therein of executive power, will be decided by the courts over the next few years. Keeping in mind that this is about executive power, not Trump's power specifically, then the next admin inherits it and may not use it as you'd like, but thems the breaks. Personally, I like limits on power for all 3 branches and I like that they are meant to be coequal.

Republican's and individual accountability with exceptions is hilarious - sounds great until you realize that the line is anything "they" disagree with, not to mention opposition to victimhood and group identity - lmao - what do you think culture "war" politics is about ffs!
 
whatithink said:
There's lots of hyperbole about fraud and corruption and yet not a single case that I can find has been initiated against a single person or organization to date, so I'd take all that with a grain of salt, at the moment. I've no doubt there's plenty of gravy train riding, which is, I expect the euphemism for "abuse", but that's been going on through every admin for decades - and should undoubtedly be stopped.

Trump's power, or the limits therein of executive power, will be decided by the courts over the next few years. Keeping in mind that this is about executive power, not Trump's power specifically, then the next admin inherits it and may not use it as you'd like, but thems the breaks. Personally, I like limits on power for all 3 branches and I like that they are meant to be coequal.

Republican's and individual accountability with exceptions is hilarious - sounds great until you realize that the line is anything "they" disagree with, not to mention opposition to victimhood and group identity - lmao - what do you think culture "war" politics is about ffs!
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I don't really disagree with anything you say, I would just point that "threat to democracy" and "constitutional crisis" are hyperbole as well. So far, none of the court challenges against Trump's power has been successful with the exception of the "MS13" deportations, which isn't a separation of powers issue. I don't see anything yet that rises to an gross abuse of power but its certainly very gratuitous. Trump is hurting his own cause with the manner and careless nature in which he's implementing his policies.

Right now I don't see the issue as necessarily a separation of powers issue, but a complete lack of opposing power from the Democrats. The Dem party is in complete and utter shambles. Tesla Takedown and a 25 hour ramble by Corey Booker are just more embarrassment for the party and don't get me started with AOC and Crockett. The only thing they have is lawfare because they have zero legislative power in Washington.

I'm not saying that Repub's abide by individual accountability (see Signalgate), but from a platform status the Repubs favor individual accountability and identity, whereas the Dems favor Government reliance and group identity.
 
watfly said:
I don't really disagree with anything you say, I would just point that "threat to democracy" and "constitutional crisis" are hyperbole as well. So far, none of the court challenges against Trump's power has been successful with the exception of the "MS13" deportations, which isn't a separation of powers issue. I don't see anything yet that rises to an gross abuse of power but its certainly very gratuitous. Trump is hurting his own cause with the manner and careless nature in which he's implementing his policies.

Right now I don't see the issue as necessarily a separation of powers issue, but a complete lack of opposing power from the Democrats. The Dem party is in complete and utter shambles. Tesla Takedown and a 25 hour ramble by Corey Booker are just more embarrassment for the party and don't get me started with AOC and Crockett. The only thing they have is lawfare because they have zero legislative power in Washington.

I'm not saying that Repub's abide by individual accountability (see Signalgate), but from a platform status the Repubs favor individual accountability and identity, whereas the Dems favor Government reliance and group identity.
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For sure, there's hyperbole on both sides. A case to watch is the one challenging the EO on voting, that stretches executive power considerably imv, but we'll see.

Sure, the Dems are in a shambles, very similar to the GOP were in 2009. They need something to coalesce around and I expect the GOP will give it to them. There's plenty of time before the mids, just as there was in 2009 - when the GOP gave the Dems a "shellacking" (in 2010).

Signalgate is but one and keep in mind that the Pentagon literally issued a warning about its use the week before. How many other signal groups are out there and what's in them, not to mention the auto delete function and the requirement to keep Federal records? What about Waltz's staff using gmail generally and sending classified materials specifically? I mean FFS, why would anyone in this day and age think that its OK to use personal forms of communication, signal or gmail or whatever, for government business given the crap that's circulated over the last few years. That's either gross incompetence or supreme arrogance, but neither is good and I don't doubt that nefarious actors actively hack these platforms and actively target these same officials, so how much has now been hacked?

Its much broader than that though, how about the GOP mandating that the 10 commandments be displayed in classrooms - but the 10 commandments only. Or the book banning due to sex and violence content, but that exempt the bible (only) despite it having more gratuitous sex and violence than the overwhelming majority of the banned books - absolute hypocrisy as a Judge commented recently.
 
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