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whatithink said:
Dude, I have long advocated on this board about spending excesses and the national debt and that both Dems and the GOP are equally responsible and/or that neither one gives a shit about either once they get into power. As I said in my post, I'm supportive of eliminating waste in the Fed spending.

You could take a very simplistic view of Fed spending to reset it
  1. Use the 2018 spending as the baseline = $4.11 T (pick an earlier year if you want)
  2. Savings over 2024 spending is (6.75 - 4.11) $2.64T.
  3. Go through each dept which makes up the $2.64T and decide if it was inflationary (SS has inflation related increases for ex.) or policy driven (Medicaid expansion which doubled the spend but which should now be reversing).
  4. Allow for increase in interest on national debt which is sky rocketing.
Look to shave at least $1T without crashing the economy ...

And certainly continue to line item review everything else.

Note that the GOP fully owns the spending bill due to be passed by mid March, I assume it will include mucho cuts.
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So, when will the dems do the same?
 
kickingandscreaming said:
So, when will the dems do the same?
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They literally should have. The $6T spending barrier was breached in the final year of Trump and then every year since. The final year of Trump and the first year of Biden could probably be given a pass given the devastating economic impact Covid had, but it should have been reset the second Biden year when Dems had full control and the last two years has been shared government and neither party did this.
 
whatithink said:
They literally should have. The $6T spending barrier was breached in the final year of Trump and then every year since. The final year of Trump and the first year of Biden could probably be given a pass given the devastating economic impact Covid had, but it should have been reset the second Biden year when Dems had full control and the last two years has been shared government and neither party did this.
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So, since you are such a staunch advocate of fiscal responsibility, you can’t possibly justify voting for democrats until they show the same commitment to cutting spending, right?
 
crush said:
What about Russia leadership and the Russian people. Do you see a distinction?
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That's a good question. I do see more of a distinction. I see more Russians willing to speaking out against Putin. Palestinians and Hamas have a shared hatred of Jews. I don't see that the Russian people and the Russian leadership having a passion for or connection to a shared enemy.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
So, since you are such a staunch advocate of fiscal responsibility, you can’t possibly justify voting for democrats until they show the same commitment to cutting spending, right?
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Seeing how the national debt increased by $7T (33% in 4 years) the last time Trump was in charge, and given the GOP penchant not to decrease spending with bills from the house in the last 2 years, I didn't have much of a choice based on both parties recent respective records, did I?

We have been given shit choices by both parties in recent years.
 
whatithink said:
Seeing how the national debt increased by $7T (33% in 4 years) the last time Trump was in charge, and given the GOP penchant not to decrease spending with bills from the house in the last 2 years, I didn't have much of a choice based on both parties recent respective records, did I?

We have been given shit choices by both parties in recent years.
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Until now
 
watfly said:
We will never agree on this topic. An opinion piece, but lays out the fact that Palestinian's have no interest in a two state solution, despite Israeli offers to do so. I think your position is the "alternate reality" that this article speaks to.

www.commentary.org

Clinton, Arafat, and a Century of Rejection

Ever since the Hamas attacks of Oct. 7, 2023, Bill and Hillary Clinton have been unable to hide their frustration with progressives’ retreat into an alternate reality, one in which
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When has Israel offered to abide by a two state solution?
 
watfly said:
No doubt some of this is performative, or PR. Some of the things he is doing I don't think the majority would deem as helpful or productive, but yet its not being hidden. Is their crazier stuff that's being hidden, possibly, but doubtful since our bureaucracy is a majority left leaning, his administration is being watched more closely than any other. It's going to be very difficult to hide anything.

I don't think either side should be reflexive (good or bad) to Trumps actions, skepticism is healthy.
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Flood the zone to get through the agenda. Project 2025 in full effect, featuring some of the main players in it’s conception.
 
whatithink said:
No mention of the right of return of Palestinian refugees which Israel wouldn't allow (5000 over 5 years isn't serious), or that Palestine had to be a demilitarized "state" with Israeli military installations in key parts. It was not a sovereign state, which apparently was Arafat's problem.

That said, I do think that Arafat should have accepted it and that the Palestinian people would have bitten your hand off for either the 2000 or 2008 agreements, with the latter very unlikely to have gone through in any case.

It is a pity more effort hasn't been put into electoral changes in both Gaza and the West Bank rather than propping up ($$$) both Hamas and the PLA. That's the path IMO, giving people something to live for rather than nothing to live for.
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Giving Netanyahu an easy target to prop himself up against. That’s why he’s funded them.
 
watfly said:
Formally, 1947, 2000, 2007, but has offered talks on many other occasions. The Palestinians have rejected in all instances and in some cases have refused to negotiate at all.
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When one side is hell-bent on the other’s destruction, I’m not sure there is a peaceful solution. Definitely not eager to “occupy” Gaza.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
When one side is hell-bent on the other’s destruction, I’m not sure there is a peaceful solution. Definitely not eager to “occupy” Gaza.
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Gaza is just a place where the bankers and assholes can have endless wars, and no one wins. They never end because if they did, no more money. The Tel A Vision Programs our brain by their programming.
 
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