Do they have a disease that prevents their bones from growing?
Supplements: What can Teens Take? 13-18
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I'm sure HGH is abused, but its supposed to be prescribed when you child's mature height estimate is not expected to reach a certain height. I recall for girls it was in the neighborhood of 5'0", but don't remember what it is for boys. Both my kids went through the monitoring of their bone age for a few years (hand x-ray), but didn't end up needing HGH. Their bone age was just 2-3 years behind their chronological age. My son is 5'11 now at 16 and could continue growing until he reaches college. My 20 year old daughter never made it past 5'1".
Before you judge parents that have kids that take HGH as losers, consider that it has legitimate medical use for kids that are projected to be abnormally short. Are Messi's parents fucking losers? He had an extreme growth hormone deficiency and was projected to only grow to 4'7". It seems to me they made a great decision to help their child through teens and adulthood. It's not like it made him a giant at 5'7", it just made him a couple inches below normal height, instead of 14" below normal.
Likely, Growth Hormone Deficiency caused by an issue in the pituitary gland.
Unfortunately there's probably more players taking HGH that are "suffering" from not starting, than there are players that have actual pituitary issues.
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Same topic, but probably a bit more narrow in application but worth mentioning.
If anyone has kids that are part of any national team pools (regardless of country) you will want to understand the banned list of substances under FIFA's drug testing.
Basically they state that even “natural” supplements can contain prohibited substances, which – if detected in a doping control – may result in the same sanctions as if they had been taken in any other form.
If anyone has kids that are part of any national team pools (regardless of country) you will want to understand the banned list of substances under FIFA's drug testing.
Basically they state that even “natural” supplements can contain prohibited substances, which – if detected in a doping control – may result in the same sanctions as if they had been taken in any other form.
IDK, what do you base that on? Reputable doctors are not going to give HGH for those suffering from "benchitis". So their either getting it from corrupt doctors or the black market. The prescribing of HGH is closely controlled and I don't know that many doctors would take the risk of their practice to help a kid in athletics. I'd hate to think that parents are injecting their kids with black market drugs. I don't doubt that it happens, but I just don't see it being common. Maybe I'm naive.
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Test 100 high level girls soccer players for hgh.
Then test 100 high level girls drama students for hgh.
The results will likely end up exactly as you'd expect.
Scary that kids would inject black market HGH, even scarier if the parents are involved.
It most assuredly still happens in football: both the hgh and steroids. In football the issue is one of the key factors (first thing they look at in recruiting) is height. That’s the hgh particularly if a kid is just under 6 and looking to crack that barrier. At your camp visit because so many kids lie about the stat one of the first things they do is a height and weight test.
Testosterone/steroids kick in at 16 when growth has leveled off and they are looking to build muscle. There are lists the parents pass around of doctors that cater to this thing. The rumors constantly fly about who is taking what.
The big limit on both is the cost esp if insurance doesn’t cover it. But then, I kid you not, there are second string qbs out there chipping in for their receivers tuition at some private schools and/or buying people cars to play with them.
The meritocracy in athletics is an illusion. Most people can’t get there through just hard work. Some people win the birth lottery. Other people use their money to try to bend the field nature set. And then of course there’s the 6-6-6 crowd….because of course there is.
Lots of scary parents out there. There is even a name for it -- the "Todd Marinovich syndrome".
Most recently, me and my son started using a supplement from https://militarymuscle.co. It's actually designed for adults, but it's been beneficial for him in terms of improved recovery times and overall energy levels, especially during tournaments.
While over the top, the Marinovich "method" was the polar opposite of injecting HGH. His parents took an insanely natural approach to diet and training. They actually avoided meats that were raised with hormones. Of course, Todd went off the rails and became addicted to drugs.
To be fair to Todd Marinovich, your post could be read to but the blame on Todd. He was a shy child, certainly suffering something like undiagnosed anxiety issues, but he happened to have phenomenal athletic ability. His dad made his entire childhood about crafting the perfect quarterback physically yet completely refusing to see the psychological harm it was doing. Todd's turn to drugs was, in his own words, a way to dull the pain of being an anxious person thrust into the national spotlight when he wasn't ready for it. Marv Marinovich (the dad) stands as an example of what not to do with your athlete child and hopefully everyone gets a chance to see ESPN's 30 for 30 documentary on Marinovich. Times have changed a lot since the 80s and I get the feeling from the comments on this board that the people here have much more insight than Marv Marinovich did, but the documentary is still quite relevant in our sports-obsessed culture:
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No, just short/average parents
hmmm. What a way to tell your child, from a very young age, you're not good enough the way you are.
Not if you want to play certain sports on a high level. You just have to be prepared to tell them “you can’t”…”you can never be good enough” (sounds like something out of “crazy rich asians”).
You have to be tall for both men and women’s collegiate basketball. Height is the first thing they look at in gridiron football (if you are over 6 2 and play for a top 20 school in SoCal you will get d1 offers irrespective of your actual ability). Even in soccer and hockey, studies show those closest to the age line have an inherent advantage. Experience after experience shows that in the U.S. if you compare the highest level (boys or girls) to the lower levels of soccer the chief difference you’ll observe is the higher level team will all be taller on average. December birthday: tell your kid “forgetta about it”
But then we do a lot of this in the us. Rudy? He had no business trying to play for notre dame yet the movie is honored. Everyone goes to college? Why…some of us are dummies…why should they waste time in college…other countries in Asia and Europe ruthlessly track and ration their subsidized higher education. Women can have it both career and family? Why so many women in their 30s crying on tik tok they can’t. ADHD meds for so many kids? Why not sorry you lost the genetic lottery…college ain’t for you…go play with other “special” kids. Remember the advice we xers and millennials got? You can be anything you put your mind to
It is a uniquely American trait which, for both better or worse, permeates our society. It reflects our naive wide eyed optimism as a Society. It translates into our view of sports (which is why our view of soccer in comparison to the rest of the world, which views soccer more like chess than an athletic contest) and why we love our heroes…who we love because we assume they made their way there through hard work. (Btw my kid and I were walking in the park today and he observed this is why baseball fell of the rails…if you can dope up and win rather than improve by skill, there is no honor in baseball)
We know a lot of athletes and none of their parents would give them HGH, even though it would have helped their children grow taller and have a better chance of playing high level baseball or basketball.
What type of people are you hanging out with these days that makes you think this is normal? You might want to look for a new circle of friends.
I don't believe parents or players. I've known too many that swear up and down that they don't do "steroids" or whatever (hgh) only to find out later that this is/was not the case.
Nobody is going to openly admit to taking PEDs
Top 20 high school football players. Like Carlsbad points out it’s hard to get a read on how many are doing it and then there’s a judgment call over when it is justified (was Messi justified?). But my best guess is 1/4-1/3. But then I’m seeing a lot of other nonsense like the tuition thing.
My screed though wasn’t about the type of people I hang out with. It’s about the contradictions in the American sports scene (private joker would call it the duality of man with the peace pin and killer sign on his helmet). American are all about sports being a meritocracy. It’s why Rudy is so beloved. But it inherently isn’t. So there’s a contradiction. And if you push that contradiction far enough the illusion falls apart like it did with baseball.
So the big question is then why? Why are parents risking the health of their children? Is it to improve their chances for a scholarship? Or is it just for the prestige of being a star athlete (ignoring the fact that it also requires skill which can't be injected)? There are so many ways to get a scholarship or pay for college...I don't get it. Is it just a symptom of a shortcut society?
Increasing my son's size would be a huge benefit for his athletic future. He's always the lightest kid at the college camps. But there is no way in hell I would have him take PED's. Just keeping my fingers crossed he can put on weight the next two years of HS.