2022 SD Surf Cup

NorCalUSN said:
it is an extremely expensive sport many years removed from when I was just a kid and my our recreation league only required a $5 fee for our jerseys. Uniform kits, travel, etc it gets very expensive. My opinion is that our sport will miss out on a lot of talented kids with potential in a "paytoplay" world which is incredibly stupid.
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Unless your kid‘s team is in the top level bracket, there are lots of tournaments which cost less and provide equally good competition.

Davis, San Juan, and Mustang come to mind. I’m sure someone can name a couple of others.
 
COSMOS said:
Is there a 'stay to play' police? like if if i don't stay, but decide to play anyways...what happens?
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Nothing in my experience but would be interesting to hear if others know for certain that players or teams have ever been sanctioned.

IMO it is illegal (antitrust) tying and not enforceable.
 
COSMOS said:
Is there a 'stay to play' police? like if if i don't stay, but decide to play anyways...what happens?
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With so many team applying for Surf Cup, I'm sure tournament will have no issue to reject a team not complying and get someone else to replace it.
 
Yak said:
Nothing in my experience but would be interesting to hear if others know for certain that players or teams have ever been sanctioned.

IMO it is illegal (antitrust) tying and not enforceable.
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If your club/team doesnt stay at the approved hotels. They dont get invited back next year.

Also how hard the tournament host chooses to come down on the rule breakers varies. Sometimes its no invite next year. Sometimes its only certain teams from a club are accepted. Sometimes its placement in the bracket of death. These are just the direct results. Other actions are to not attend the rule Breakers tournements. Or choose to never scrimmage.

So the answer is while tournements dont really legally force you to stay at their defined hotels. It just gets awkward over time if you dont.
 
Carlsbad7 said:
If your club/team doesnt stay at the approved hotels. They dont get invited back next year.

Also how hard the tournament host chooses to come down on the rule breakers varies. Sometimes its no invite next year. Sometimes its only certain teams from a club are accepted. Sometimes its placement in the bracket of death. These are just the direct results. Other actions are to not attend the rule Breakers tournements. Or choose to never scrimmage.

So the answer is while tournements dont really legally force you to stay at their defined hotels. It just gets awkward over time if you dont.
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Is this speculation as to what could happen or do you know of it actually happening?

Seems to fit the definition of tying, which is to use power in one market to force buyers to purchase something in another market. Nothing wrong with bundling products/services as an option but requiring it is probably illegal.
 
Yak said:
Is this speculation as to what could happen or do you know of it actually happening?

Seems to fit the definition of tying, which is to use power in one market to force buyers to purchase something in another market. Nothing wrong with bundling products/services as an option but requiring it is probably illegal.
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You're probably right about tying but the only people that care (right now) are parents of players. Say anything and your kid is out of the club.

Overtime lawyers will smell the blood in the water and start taking clubs to court.

Just an fyi Soccer isn't the only sport that does this with Hotels, It's common in all youth sports.
 
For those not from the area, the 5 south is a nightmare in the summer. So if you are booking near Pendleton and you don’t leave early enough, it will be bumper to bumper traffic all the way to the Polo Fields.
 
Soccermom18 said:
For those not from the area, the 5 south is a nightmare in the summer. So if you are booking near Pendleton and you don’t leave early enough, it will be bumper to bumper traffic all the way to the Polo Fields.
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Agree x1000% on this one.

If all the hotels are booked maybe look at doing a VRBO for the entire team. Might be $$$ but you could get something really nice.
 
I've been told for years Surf gets 10% back from hotels. I've heard coaches talking about.
If you are a good top ENCL team I don't see a ton of value in Surf Cup For example, last year ECNL had a San Diego 8 weeks after SurfCup.
 
Orangeteam said:
I've been told for years Surf gets 10% back from hotels. I've heard coaches talking about.
If you are a good top ENCL team I don't see a ton of value in Surf Cup For example, last year ECNL had a San Diego 8 weeks after SurfCup.
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You see it in the teams list. Surf Cup Youngers attracts teams like Texans, Solar, Top Hat, DKSC, and Real Co.

Surf Olders had no one east of Arizona last year. “The best of the best” are actually up in Seattle right now. They won’t all be at Surf.
 
NorCalUSN said:
it is an extremely expensive sport many years removed from when I was just a kid and my our recreation league only required a $5 fee for our jerseys. Uniform kits, travel, etc it gets very expensive. My opinion is that our sport will miss out on a lot of talented kids with potential in a "paytoplay" world which is incredibly stupid.
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so whose gonna pay for coaches, fields, jerseys, refs, league fees? sorry but we don't live in the socialist mind you have
 
Orangeteam said:
I've been told for years Surf gets 10% back from hotels. I've heard coaches talking about.
If you are a good top ENCL team I don't see a ton of value in Surf Cup For example, last year ECNL had a San Diego 8 weeks after SurfCup.
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What does the last sentence mean?
 
Sorry, I fat fingered my phone.
ECNL had their fall showcase event the first week of October in San Diego.
Last year I know teams backed out of Surf because there were going to be back in San Diego 8 weeks later.
 
Carlsbad7 said:
You're probably right about tying but the only people that care (right now) are parents of players. Say anything and your kid is out of the club.

Overtime lawyers will smell the blood in the water and start taking clubs to court.

Just an fyi Soccer isn't the only sport that does this with Hotels, It's common in all youth sports.
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The strength of the antitrust laws has been eviscerated by the supreme court. There's no case there. A change to the system will require the concerted actions by a large enough percentage soccer parents who care about making it fair for everyone, not just the wealthy. And what are the chances of that?
 
Larzby said:
The strength of the antitrust laws has been eviscerated by the supreme court. There's no case there. A change to the system will require the concerted actions by a large enough percentage soccer parents who care about making it fair for everyone, not just the wealthy. And what are the chances of that?
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Just to be clear, Surf Cup didnt invent the practice of making a percent off players staying at specific hotels. It's an industry standard for many different types of youth sports.

Last week I heard of competitive dance teams doing a tournement in florida + parents going through the same issues with hotels.
 
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