Vaccine

EvilGoalie 21 said:
All the stuff on the pre-print servers is under review. Some submissions will past muster, other's won't. Those that do pass muster it will be like "fix this, this and this". That's how it is.

thanks for linking to the Pekar et al preprint. I had not seen it. It's largely a UCSD/Scripps and UCLA piece of work. And, IMO, a submission crackling with some interesting new phylogenetic computational approaches. Long and short of it is that with their analytical developments they can work backwards in genetic time and assess the probabilities of different types of initiating "rooting" events for the pandemic initiating in Wuhan. And the only one that really works given the Cov2 genomes that they feed into their analysis is two separate jumps into humans from animal resevoirs occurring in a short space of time. I can see some things they will likely be asked about on review but the core of it feels pretty solid.

How does it feed into the lab leak hypothesis? The answer is, of course,given the physical proximity of the Whuhan labs, any way you want it to. As I've said previously it's basically a historical/political question, not a scientific one. Two separate jumps = viruses brought into a market which start recombining into a nasty little cesspool that jumps two times? Versus, something brought out of a lab, accidentily or maybe not, mingling with an intermediate host and that's what leads to the conditions for two jumps? It's worth pointing out because this is as much insight as we msy get on the matter. Kind of like three guys meet up in a over priced bar to talk about campaign data and a Ukrainian "peace plan". What do we call it? Prove it versus disprove the negative.

Anyway, thing that got me off on this was that, in this thread, omicron was proposed as a jump from human to mice and back to human (two jumps), Nobody says boo. And then you post these links that basically say two jumps (and easier ones really and get shit canned for not thinking for yourself? Somebody is not thinking (or understanding WTF they are talking about) but it's not you.
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I don’t think many are arguing that the market was not a viral cesspool. It’s clear the market was a pathway. I think the objection is to the claim that market transmission disproves lab leak.

I can see how the statistical genetics argument can give you a timeline for when the virus got to the market. I don’t see how a statistical genetics argument tells you where it came from. Inside a bat, or inside a bat researcher who is there to buy dinner?
 
dad4 said:
I don’t think many are arguing that the market was not a viral cesspool. It’s clear the market was a pathway. I think the objection is to the claim that market transmission disproves lab leak.

I can see how the statistical genetics argument can give you a timeline for when the virus got to the market. I don’t see how a statistical genetics argument tells you where it came from. Inside a bat, or inside a bat researcher who is there to buy dinner?
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Yes, that's the point I was trying to make in saying the lab leak is fundamentally a historical/political question in the sense that science can never disprove it didn't happen that way. Thus, the set of paper that were first referenced in the post linking to the Science highlight are attempting to track back to the common ancestor of the Cov2 lineages that are out there. That data does not address where that common ancestor came from other than to say that most likely rooting event to explain CoV2 genetic lineages was two near contemporaneous jumps in Wuhan.
 
GoldenGate said:
I have a question. If you are going to disregard the only two actual studies that have looked into this, why are you clinging so hard to a conspiracy theory that was said on 4Chan by some anonymous whackadoo? Presumably that wasn't peer studied either. Or do you only care if something has the Qanon seal of approval?

Also, why do you even care? How do you reconcile your belief that Covid is essentially a hoax so therefore no one should wear masks or get vaccinated while, at the same time, claiming Dr. Fauci funded a Chinese lab to create a deadly virus as part of a secret worldwide extermination plan? Which is it? Is Covid deadly or not?
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I didn't disregard them, I brought them up - see below.

Acknowledging that its not yet peer reviewed or that there are critiques in the piece I posted are just facts, based on the actual text of the actual article I posted.

As for the rest of your diatribe, you've obviously confused me with someone else.

whatithink said:
I see there are some new studies out which sow further doubt on the whole lab leak theory. Its still not ruled out, but seems much less likely.

Do three new studies add up to proof of COVID-19’s origin in a Wuhan animal market? | Science | AAAS
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And, since its open on my destop, while the Pekar et al paper is pretty technical the discussion makes a general point that is worth highlighting and one of the things I've been trying to say. All these eruptive coronavirus epidemics/pandemics involved multiple jumps between humans and animal resevoirs. SARS, MERS, now CoV2, and possibly omicron. And with the evolutionary success of Cov2 these outbreaks will almost certainly be happing at an even greater frequency. In other words, we (or, more accurately, our kids) are going to need to learn to deal with this going forward.

Here is the blurb from their discussion.

"Viruses that can infect humans and naturally circulate in animals, such as rabies, Ebola, Nipah, Lassa, and highly pathogenic avian influenza viruses, are rare, but of high consequence (50-53). However, once a virus is capable of human infection and transmission, the remaining barriers to spillover are pervasiveness of the virus among animal hosts and extended host human contact. Thereafter, a single zoonotic transmission event portends additional jumps because all previous conditions leading up to a successful zoonotic jump have necessarily been met. For example, the reverse zoonosis of SARS CoV2 from humans to minks on Dutch fur farms was followed by repeated reintroduction of SARS CoV2 from minks to humans."
 
GoldenGate said:
I have a question. If you are going to disregard the only two actual studies that have looked into this, why are you clinging so hard to a conspiracy theory that was said on 4Chan by some anonymous whackadoo? Presumably that wasn't peer studied either. Or do you only care if something has the Qanon seal of approval?

Also, why do you even care? How do you reconcile your belief that Covid is essentially a hoax so therefore no one should wear masks or get vaccinated while, at the same time, claiming Dr. Fauci funded a Chinese lab to create a deadly virus as part of a secret worldwide extermination plan? Which is it? Is Covid deadly or not?
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Looks like you understand. Peer review is only important when you wish to dispute the findings.
 
Breaking News Just in. The USSS ((secret service)) say's they are unable to locate years of records all of Joe and Hunters communications back when pay to play was the game to play.
 
Happy Women's Month to only those women who got the jab. All the other women got fired or blocked entry to a free education because they stood up to BS!!! I know a few women who told my wife they wish they never got the jab or allowed their children to take this poison. They feel horrible and scammed. One of them the hubby has blood clots. My other friends sister died from Covid and three jabs later. This is true and no need to fact check me fellas. I speak from my heart. These monsters are pure evil and will go down lying to save face.

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Soccerhelper said:
Happy Women's Month to only those women who got the jab. All the other women got fired or blocked entry to a free education because they stood up to BS!!! I know a few women who told my wife they wish they never got the jab or allowed their children to take this poison. They feel horrible and scammed. One of them the hubby has blood clots. My other friends sister died from Covid and three jabs later. This is true and no need to fact check me fellas. I speak from my heart. These monsters are pure evil and will go down lying to save face.

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President Biden on Women’s History Month 2022

Standing on the shoulders of the heroines who came before them, today’s women and girls continue to carry forward the mission of ensuring our daughters have the same opportunities as our sons. The Biden-Harris Administration has made gender equality a top priority from day one and is proud to...
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The children who got vaccinated will surely die, or at least grow bat wings. I can't believe so many people were duped into taking the bat poison over a complete hoax. Only those who have not taken our bipolar meds know the truth.
 
Joe last night: "Let's stop seeing each other as enemies"

Joe the day before: "The unvaccinated are responsible for the Pandemic."

Joe last night: "I've ordered more pills than anyone in the world has"

JBLN: Ukraine is the light and Russia is the darkness

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I need to go chill out and get my heart and soul safe. So check this. Old pal who voted for, Gary, Walter, Bill, Al, John, Barak and HRC is driving me nuts. He told me that unless I stand with Ukraine and denounce Putin verbaly, he will not discuss anything else with me regarding politics anymore. He will not look at me in the eye and discuss the last two years. Total coward and wants to watch war in Ukraine all day on Tel A Vision. "The virus is over, end of story," he tells me. "Focus on Ukraine and have a heart brother" he tells me. Imagine that, my old debate pal making statements like that. He also told people like me in 2016 that if we don;t stand with HRC, we stand with the evil t, regardless if we voted or not. The lines are being drawn again. This guy is a joke and I probably never talk to him again unless he wakes up. He told me to vote for HRC, kneel for one race, support rioters for one cause, defund the police, ask for forgiveness, support two Impeachments, support election fraud, support spying on others, take three jabs + boosters and wear a mask or get fired and now he says, "Stand with Ukraine and bow or I won't deabte you." We only argue most of the time so it was probably not beneficial for either of us. Good bye old pal. Dude is so sick and I mean with the flu. He has been sick for over two weeks.
 
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