Vaccine

[what-happened]

Where do you get the idea that a poorly fitted N95 mask is equivalent to no mask?

I understand that it is an appealing argument. After all, it absolves you of all responsibility. You get to go maskless because you haven’t had the special training.

But it is also completely full of shit, logically. We can do a web search for papers on the effectiveness of N95 masks when worn without training. We both know the papers won’t say “same as no mask.”

you are delirous. I don't need a web search or a study to tell me that when a seal isn't properly formed, air escapes. If air escapes..then..well, you know the air escapes.

When was the last time you wore a respirator for 6-8 hrs straight?

Besides, even the CDC admits the real-world effectiveness of face coverings to prevent acquisition of SARS-CoV-2 infection has not been widely studied. And phone surveys from peeps in CA doesn't really count.

 

[Grace T.]

Adults, Grace. Adults, by skipping masks and vaccines, are shirking their burden.

What burden?
If you've had it, your natural immunity will protect you just fine.
If you are under 30, and aren't immuno compromised, you'll probably be just fine.
If your vaxxed, good for you! Why do you need a mask...you are just delaying when you'll get COVID assuming you are going to go through the burden and wear the dumb n95 all day....why not get it over with.
Otherwise you are an adult...make your choices....again I don't understand you obsession with cases....either you believe in the vaxx or you don't, and if you are obsessing over cases, you clearly don't.

 

[soccersc]

Adults, Grace. Adults, by skipping masks and vaccines, are shirking their burden.

I still don't get what the burden is...if you wear an n95 mask and you are vaccinated what are you worried about? You always skip out on answer the basics. Do you have an answer to that?

 

[kickingandscreaming]

Just when I thought this thread couldn't get any dumber....

… you posted. Voilà

 

[Desert Hound]

Adults, Grace. Adults, by skipping masks and vaccines, are shirking their burden.

What do vaxxes do now? They don't stop the spread. So no need for them in that aspect.

They still offer some protection to those at risk.

And then that leaves those that choose not to take the vax.

WHen you look at the above, there is no need to mandate masks or vaxxes.

 

[NorCalDad]

So you can expend the effort to respond with the ad hominem but can't add a sentence or two for the basis for your opinion. Got it. Their are pros and cons to school vouchers. Studies have shown they provide positive benefits in educational improvement, although probably not as significantly as many of us would like. I'm pro-choice in all respects, something the left was until they decided they knew what's best for everyone.

Or when everyone realized school choice was being co-opted by billionaires (Kochs, etc) to privatize education.

There was a time when this country believed in a strong public education system. I guess we don't anymore -- and it shows. The problem isn't inherent to public schools, it's what we as a country deem important to invest in. God knows there's billion examples of corrupt charter schools.

 

[NorCalDad]

… you posted. Voilà

Oh man....what a burn.....good one chuckles.

 

[kickingandscreaming]

Or when everyone realized school choice was being co-opted by billionaires (Kochs, etc) to privatize education.

There was a time when this country believed in a strong public education system. I guess we don't anymore -- and it shows. The problem isn't inherent to public schools, it's what we as a country deem important to invest in. God knows there's billion examples of corrupt charter schools.

Link? Or, it appears I should ask, a billion links?

 

[kickingandscreaming]

Oh man....what a burn.....good one chuckles.

Thanks, genius.

 

[crush]

Teachers do not have a mandatory vaccine requirement ( at least in my district) the ones who are not vaccinated have to get tested a certain number of times per week

I think LA is different, but not sure. I drove up to North Hollywood to meet up with my life coach. First off, wow!!! The homeless and their tenst on Olympic Blvd in North Hollywood was crazy to see with my eyes. I felt sad for everyone involved. Everyone is wearing a mask. My wife went into a eat place and she was chased down to wear a mask. No mask, no food. The fear is everywhere. I drove to Beverly Hills after and I saw homeless as well. I gave some change and told my wife this place is not the same. I feel for the oppresses. Hopelessness is written on the faces. I send love to LA 100%.

 

[NorCalDad]

Link? Or, it appears I should ask, a billion links?

Link about what, corrupt charter schools? For real? Took two seconds to find this:

New Report: Charter Fraud And Waste Worse Than We Thought

"We have concluded that the practice of allowing unauthorized schools to receive funds, which has been in effect since 2001, has become a magnet for grifters, consultants and charter entrepreneurs who see an easy way to cash in."

www.forbes.com

It goes on and on and on....

 

[Brav520]

I think LA is different, but not sure. I drove up to North Hollywood to meet up with my life coach. First off, wow!!! The homeless and their tenst on Olympic Blvd in North Hollywood was crazy to see with my eyes. I felt sad for everyone involved. Everyone is wearing a mask. My wife went into a eat place and she was chased down to wear a mask. No mask, no food. The fear is everywhere. I drove to Beverly Hills after and I saw homeless as well. I gave some change and told my wife this place is not the same. I feel for the oppresses. Hopelessness is written on the faces. I send love to LA 100%.

I was at Silverlakes this weekend , stayed at a hotel .

The hotel was completely booked, and Id estimate 90% were there because of soccer. Id say the majority of the soccer people were from LA and San Diego. There we a lot of parents and teams hanging out in the lobby at night , and I actually chatted with some people who were from LA. Almost no one was wearing a mask .

I wonder if LA peeps feel a sense of freedom when they get out of the county, because I certainly didn't walk away from this weekend thinking that they were somehow more frightened of covid than other people or wouldn't they be wearing a mask?

We also played 2 LA teams this weekend, and I didn't see a single parent on their sidelines ( nor any players ) wearing mask.

Just something I noticed, because my perception was that mask compliance was extremely high for people who reside in LA.

 

[Desert Hound]

Or when everyone realized school choice was being co-opted by billionaires (Kochs, etc) to privatize education.

There was a time when this country believed in a strong public education system. I guess we don't anymore -- and it shows. The problem isn't inherent to public schools, it's what we as a country deem important to invest in. God knows there's billion examples of corrupt charter schools.

And yet if a charter does bad it goes away.

That doesn't happen with public schools.

Every time I see a charter open in a less than desirable area I think how lucky the kids are to finally have a better option.

 

[Grace T.]

I was at Silverlakes this weekend , stayed at a hotel .

The hotel was completely booked, and Id estimate 90% were there because of soccer. Id say the majority of the soccer people were from LA and San Diego. There we a lot of parents and teams hanging out in the lobby at night , and I actually chatted with some people who were from LA. Almost no one was wearing a mask .

I wonder if LA peeps feel a sense of freedom when they get out of the county, because I certainly didn't walk away from this weekend thinking that they were somehow more frightened of covid than other people or wouldn't they be wearing a mask?

We also played 2 LA teams this weekend, and I didn't see a single parent on their sidelines ( nor any players ) wearing mask.

Just something I noticed, because my perception was that mask compliance was extremely high for people who reside in LA.

I think they are underestimating the powder keg they are sitting on. If there are more pictures of adults partying at the Superbowl and kids need to go to LAUSD in masks the next day, I think they will be facing a full on parent rebellion. No wonder they are hiring all that extra security to enforce the mask requirements.

 

[Desert Hound]

Link about what, corrupt charter schools? For real? Took two seconds to find this:

New Report: Charter Fraud And Waste Worse Than We Thought

"We have concluded that the practice of allowing unauthorized schools to receive funds, which has been in effect since 2001, has become a magnet for grifters, consultants and charter entrepreneurs who see an easy way to cash in."

www.forbes.com

It goes on and on and on....

And then you see public school districts producing the following.

REPORT: 77 percent of Baltimore high school students reading at elementary or kindergarten level

An anonymous teacher from Baltimore’s Patterson High School has come forward with crucial information to support the claim that fully 77 percent of students at the troubled institution have an elementary school – or lower – reading level.

thepostmillennial.com

And reading your article above it seems less the fault of charter schools and far more of how the government vetts prospective schools and how gov fails to do oversight.

Which is typical and which is why public schools in many areas underperform decade after decade.

 

[Brav520]

I think they are underestimating the powder keg they are sitting on. If there are more pictures of adults partying at the Superbowl and kids need to go to LAUSD in masks the next day, I think they will be facing a full on parent rebellion. No wonder they are hiring all that extra security to enforce the mask requirements.

starting To think this is a small but vocal minority that aren’t able to move on

I know Twitter isn’t an accurate representation of the public at large , but read the replies to Newsom tweet yesterday announcing the mask mandates are going away. There are certainly people who never want mask mandates to go away

 

[dad4]

What do vaxxes do now? They don't stop the spread. So no need for them in that aspect.

They still offer some protection to those at risk.

And then that leaves those that choose not to take the vax.

WHen you look at the above, there is no need to mandate masks or vaxxes.

What do vaccines do? For starters, they reduce your odds of getting covid by a factor of six.

That also reduces your odds of spreading covid by a factor of six. Slightly more, because a vaccinated person is also infectious for a shorter time.

So, no. The vaccine doesn't 'stop' transmission. It just reduces transmission by 90% or so.

Incidentally, a 90% reduction in transmission is the difference between "huge case spike" and "minor outbreaks here and there."

 

[Grace T.]

What do vaccines do? For starters, they reduce your odds of getting covid by a factor of six.

That also reduces your odds of spreading covid by a factor of six. Slightly more, because a vaccinated person is also infectious for a shorter time.

So, no. The vaccine doesn't 'stop' transmission. It just reduces transmission by 90% or so.

Incidentally, a 90% reduction in transmission is the difference between "huge case spike" and "minor outbreaks here and there."

I think your numbers are wildly overestimated especially since we know the double vaxx simply isn’t that efficient in stopping omicron (remember the party in Neatherlands superspreader event was caused by a vaccinated individual in a room full of vaccinated people) and even with boosters the efficiency is declining with time. If it were 90% that many people would simply not have gotten ill at that event.

further highly vaxxed countries have all had omicron spikes..they were just less severe but hardly an outbreak here and there

but even assuming arguendo your 90%…you never answer why you care…the unvaxxed have made their decision and the vaccine is suppose to protect against serious illness. Who you protecting here? Just wanna avoid the bad cold?

 

[soccersc]

I think your numbers are wildly overestimated especially since we know the double vaxx simply isn’t that efficient in stopping omicron (remember the party in Neatherlands superspreader event was caused by a vaccinated individual in a room full of vaccinated people) and even with boosters the efficiency is declining with time. If it were 90% that many people would simply not have gotten ill at that event.

further highly vaxxed countries have all had omicron spikes..they were just less severe but hardly an outbreak here and there

but even assuming arguendo your 90%…you never answer why you care…the unvaxxed have made their decision and the vaccine is suppose to protect against serious illness. Who you protecting here? Just wanna avoid the bad cold?

@dad4 tries to manipulate numbers to defend his out of touch reality…he can not stand being wrong. Even when every vaccinated person he knew got Covid over winter break he still wants to blame it on the unvaccinated. Maybe the world is flat?

 

[EvilGoalie 21]

What do vaccines do? For starters, they reduce your odds of getting covid by a factor of six.

That also reduces your odds of spreading covid by a factor of six. Slightly more, because a vaccinated person is also infectious for a shorter time.

So, no. The vaccine doesn't 'stop' transmission. It just reduces transmission by 90% or so.

Incidentally, a 90% reduction in transmission is the difference between "huge case spike" and "minor outbreaks here and there."

vaxx appears to have held up great against omicron in NYC. for cases even. rate per 100K is cases vaxx/vaxx and cases novaxx/novaxx, ie correctly normalized to meaningfully compare the rates. https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-main.page

 

[dad4]

I think your numbers are wildly overestimated especially since we know the double vaxx simply isn’t that efficient in stopping omicron (remember the party in Neatherlands superspreader event was caused by a vaccinated individual in a room full of vaccinated people) and even with boosters the efficiency is declining with time. If it were 90% that many people would simply not have gotten ill at that event.

further highly vaxxed countries have all had omicron spikes..they were just less severe but hardly an outbreak here and there

but even assuming arguendo your 90%…you never answer why you care…the unvaxxed have made their decision and the vaccine is suppose to protect against serious illness. Who you protecting here? Just wanna avoid the bad cold?

The 1:6 ratio is not an estimate. It's the vax to unvax ratio of positive tests per Capita.

You may not like it, but it's still true. Most covid cases are unvaccinated. And, as a result, most covid transmission is coming from unvaccinated people, too.

Why do I care? About 900,000 Americans have died of this. Another 2000 each day. That is who we could have been protecting, but decided not to.