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In a literature review, the Civitas Institute, “Certificate of Need: Does It Actually Control Healthcare Costs?,”

http://www.nccivitas.org/2011/certificate-of-need-does-it-actually-control-healthcare-costs/

writes

One hospital industry respondent to a National Institute for Healthcare Reform Study reported “member hospitals initially had mixed views about the benefits of CON but banded together to support the process after realizing it was a valuable tool to block new physician-owned facilities.”

Innovation and competition are thus stifled in order to continue the profitability of existing healthcare providers. Physicians and multi-physician groups find it harder to open and operating ambulatory surgery centers, freestanding radiology practices, and other facilities that would allow consumers to enjoy healthcare that is potentially both lower-cost and higher-quality.

The Washington State Certificate of Need website

http://www.doh.wa.gov/LicensesPermi...litiesNewReneworUpdate/CertificateofNeed.aspx

makes fun browsing. The “methodology” sets out numerical targets for facilities in “planning areas.” Thus, the idea of building an “unneeded” facility simply because you can do it better and cheaper than an incumbent is explicitly prohibited.
 
Sheriff Joe said:
Sounds just like Jon Gruber.
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Let's see, didn't Jon Gruber help Mitt Romney come up with the State of Massachusetts health reform? A program Obama modeled ACA on. Although these days it sounds like he's up at night dreaming of being saved by leaders to smart and strong to obey the will of the people.
 
Bernie Sanders said:
Auto insurance doesnt pay for oil changes, or tires.
It pays for accidents, or unforseen acts of God.
In a free country, most things pertaining to life must be left to the individual.
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Well not according to the supreme court. Which ruled we can't just let people die on the street because they can't afford healthcare. So we're already paying for those unforeseen acts of God whether you realize it or not.

Unfortunately however, we haven't found a way to make paying for it as cheaply as our economic rivals. And it's hurting our ability to compete.
 
tenacious said:
Let's see, didn't Jon Gruber help Mitt Romney come up with the State of Massachusetts health reform? A program Obama modeled ACA on. Although these days it sounds like he's up at night dreaming of being saved by leaders to smart and strong to obey the will of the people.
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I don't understand your point, but using Romney isn't going to persuade many around here, you might as well envoke McCain.
 
tenacious said:
Well not according to the supreme court. Which ruled we can't just let people die on the street because they can't afford healthcare. So we're already paying for those unforeseen acts of God whether you realize it or not.

Unfortunately however, we haven't found a way to make paying for it as cheaply as our economic rivals. And it's hurting our ability to compete.
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Insurance is not designed to pay for maintenance, or simple repairs.
'Dying on the street" would probably qualify.
 
tenacious said:
Well not according to the supreme court. Which ruled we can't just let people die on the street because they can't afford healthcare. So we're already paying for those unforeseen acts of God whether you realize it or not.
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Budget Politics

"Back in my teaching days, many years ago, one of the things I liked to ask the class to consider was this, imagine a government agency with only two task. One, building statues of Benedict Arnold and two providing life saving medications to children. If this agency's budget were cut what would it do? The answer of course is that it would cut back on the medications for children. Why? Because that is what is most likely to get the budget restored. If they cut back on building statues of Benedict Arnold, people might ask why they were building statues of Benedict Arnold in the first place.-- Thomas Sowell. Who else?
 
Bernie Sanders said:
Insurance is not designed to pay for maintenance, or simple repairs.
'Dying on the street" would probably qualify.
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I don't follow?

All I'm saying is whether we treat people via the emergency room or via healthcare- we still have to pay for it one way or another. And the do nothing (zero preventative care) let them go to the emergency room after it's blown up, hasn't shown to be very cost effective.
 
Bernie Sanders said:
If you want cost to come down, people need to pay for the services insurance is not designed to pay for.
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Blaming the people again uh? The health industry is run like a cartel, monopoly, price fixing, you name it, it's got it, but the GOP has you convinced that somebody actually visiting the doctor once in awhile and getting something for the thousands of dollars they spend a year on insurance, is the bad guy. smh
 
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