Vaccine

Errr...hate to tell you this, but you've bound yourself into quite a pretzel. On the one hand, you say you are anti-mandate. But YOU were the one that raised the hospital argument (not I) which is a pro-mandate argument. I pointed out to you why that argument didn't make sense. Which YOU then claim flies in the face of anything logical, when it is a response to the argument YOU made, which YOU claim you aren't really making at all.

Pretzel. Seriously, if you are anti-mandate, let's hear your argument about being anti-mandate. Why even bring up the canard about the hospitals?
He's confused and doesn't realize that's his team.
 
New preprint....omicron infection has neutralizing immunity against the delta. Omicron will push the delta out (once its gone through the vaxxed).

Unless we get a new whacky and more dangerous variant (which is always a possibility even though viral evolution doesn't tend to go that way), I think if this study is true this may very well be the last hurrah for COVID. We'll all have to get our colds, however, to get there.....IF true (a big if), it's time to wave the white flag and remove remaining restrictions (saving only circuit breakers to preserve hospital capacity), ditch the masks, and get our colds.

(of course the first comment in response to this preprint being advertized on twitter is don't say that...the anti lockdown people will use it as an excuse to remove all remaining restrictions....well because if true and if the vaccines don't really prevent omicron spread that's where logic leads us to)

 
New preprint....omicron infection has neutralizing immunity against the delta. Omicron will push the delta out (once its gone through the vaxxed).

Unless we get a new whacky and more dangerous variant (which is always a possibility even though viral evolution doesn't tend to go that way), I think if this study is true this may very well be the last hurrah for COVID. We'll all have to get our colds, however, to get there.....IF true (a big if), it's time to wave the white flag and remove remaining restrictions (saving only circuit breakers to preserve hospital capacity), ditch the masks, and get our colds.


Agree - this is very good news if verified.
 
Agree - this is very good news if verified.
Its a done deal and you can take it to the bank. Also, the military has a shot that will heal everyone from all the other BS in your blood. It's the shot heard around the world. For those who stood tall and said no shots and got the Rona early on, they are now superman or superwoman. I feel like the man today and it's because I feel super good about myself and so much more. I love myself more then ever :)
 
a. Because you were the one that called out the "anti-mandate" folks.
b. It's not all people....it's certain people....going around vaccinating all kids (some may very well need vaccination) is not doing much for your hospital capacity. Vaccinating everyone over 40 yeah absolutely good idea, but the boosters may not do much. Vaccinating and boosting everyone over 60 or 70, absolutely.
Here we go again, CLEAN UP ON AISLE 5! When will they learn.
 
Funny how over the past week or 2 the messaging is changing. Learn to live with it. Hardest hit? People like dad who thought if we just tried harder it would go away.

This is the new normal,” said Leana Wen, a public health professor at George Washington University and former Baltimore health commissioner. “This is what we will have to accept as we transition from the emergency of COVID-19 to living with it as part of the new normal.”

 
The flippers always flip it back on you. If all one does is lie when they speak, it's called cheating and stealing the truth from others.

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It's funny that Joe Biden's COVID plan is beginning to look more and more like Trump's COVID plan...."There is no federal solution....this gets solved on the state level." Biden waiving the white flag.
I remember him running on that and the press dutifully parroting that talking point.

And yet from day 1 it was basically the same plan. Get the vaxx out and get testing done. There really wasn't much else to do unless one wanted to go authoritarian, and our Constitution doesn't allow that.
 
And again we know very little about the long term affects of the vaxx.

Here scientists are debating whether a 4th shot does more good vs harm.

Which again is another reason why there should be NO VAXX mandate.

But some scientists warned that the plan could backfire, because too many shots might cause a sort of immune system fatigue, compromising the body’s ability to fight the coronavirus. A few members of the government’s advisory panel raised that concern with respect to the elderly, according to a written summary of the discussion obtained by The New York Times.

 
because too many shots might cause a sort of immune system fatigue, compromising the body’s ability to fight the coronavirus.
This is what my best Doc pal told me years ago. The best "vaccine" you have is your personal immune system that does NOT need any help from Bill and Melinda or Dr. F and Frances or t himself, who say's he made three in less then 12 months. All these frauds must be compromised by Jeffrey and his girlfriend whose Papi was Robert. I guess Victoria always had a secret and we will all find out soon. These little punks sure know how to buy folks, then bribe them and then blackmail their asses to do what you need them to do.
 
Funny how over the past week or 2 the messaging is changing. Learn to live with it. Hardest hit? People like dad who thought if we just tried harder it would go away.

This is the new normal,” said Leana Wen, a public health professor at George Washington University and former Baltimore health commissioner. “This is what we will have to accept as we transition from the emergency of COVID-19 to living with it as part of the new normal.”

She is on a new level of quackery these days. . She's great at pushing her book. She's such an embarrasment to those that care for patients every day. To think that she was in charge of public health policy at one point is beyond scary. Maybe at one point she believed in the oath she took but who knows.
 
I remember him running on that and the press dutifully parroting that talking point.

And yet from day 1 it was basically the same plan. Get the vaxx out and get testing done. There really wasn't much else to do unless one wanted to go authoritarian, and our Constitution doesn't allow that.
Your faith in the constitution protecting you is amusing. Tell it to the millions of Americans who thought the 14th amendment protected them until the Supreme Court came up with the "separate but equal" doctrine to allow Jim Crow laws - a doctrine that ensured separate but rarely if ever equal ... as everyone knew. It took another 60 years for a different Supreme Court to decide BS on that, and then another decade for Congress to legislate. So a century of discrimination for millions of Americans.

In short, the constitution provides whatever protection the current SCOTUS allows or not, nothing more or less. Any document that is still open to interpretation 200+ years later is hardly something to hang your hat on.
 
NEW CDC "Guidance": vaxxed but unboosted are classified the same as being unvaxxed.

Hi fellas, welcome back to being not fully vaxxed. I have a box of masks if you need one.
 
CNN Breaking News: New Omicron variant fills up children's hospitals
A five-fold increase in pediatric admissions in New York City this month. Close to double the numbers admitted in Washington, DC. And nationwide, on average, pediatric hospitalizations are up 35% in just the past week.


Dr. Spinner wants all the kids jabbed.

The highly transmissible Omicron variant is teaming up with the busy holiday season to infect more children across the United States than ever before ((ever before???? Omicron is new, right?)), and children's hospitals are bracing for it to get even worse.
"I think we are going to see more numbers now than we have ever seen," Dr. Stanley Spinner, who is chief medical officer and vice president at Texas Children's Pediatrics & Urgent Care in Houston, told CNN.

"Cases are continuing to rise between Christmas gatherings and we're going to continue to see more numbers this week from that," Spinner said in a telephone interview.

"It's almost like you can see the train coming down the track and you're just hoping it doesn't go off the rails," Dr. Claudia Hoyen

"What's concerning on the (pediatric) side is that, unlike the adults -- where they're reporting for the number of adults getting infected relatively low numbers getting hospitalized -- what we're really seeing, we think, is an increasing number of kids being hospitalized," Spinner said.
 
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