Vaccine

[Bruddah IZ]

What, exactly, do you mean by “came down with”?

Were any hospitalized? Bedridden? Anything to worry about?

All you’re saying is that ten vaccinated NHL players tested positive for covid, feel mostly ok, but are staying away from other people so they don’t spread it.

Sounds like a pretty normal day. The take-home message is probably that professional athletes should patronize only well ventilated strip clubs.

No. It's a human endeavor with its successes, failures, weaknesses, strengths, good, bad and the ugly. And I'd say it's because i see it that way that I'm not prone to this conspiratorial team this and team that, which I find curious. The thing about purity, whatever that means, is coming from you. You say that's not how you see it but, well, I have to say it sure sounds like it. Poking at it, however, can only be a good thing so keep going. All I'm saying is you may want to consider a different methodology because your current one does not seem to be making inroads.

Methodology? Lol! Mandates nullify methodology.

 

[kickingandscreaming]

So?

The original sentiment was spot on. Failure to reduce transmission did lead to higher deaths among the elderly.

I know it makes people feel uncomfortable. That doesn’t mean it is false.

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"Kill grandma" was never a claim by either side.
- @dad4

 

[kickingandscreaming]

I know it makes people feel uncomfortable. That doesn’t mean it is false.

Interestingly, it also makes irrationally fearful adults more comfortable about irrational mandates.

 

[what-happened]

So?

The original sentiment was spot on. Failure to reduce transmission did lead to higher deaths among the elderly.

I know it makes people feel uncomfortable. That doesn’t mean it is false.

Failure to listen to experts (not the ones on tv, but the ones that actually have a job) led to the faster deaths of the elderly. How quickly we forget about decisions in states that led to unneccessary deaths in the elderly.

 

[espola]

When was I talking about breakthrough infections and the MN health department? You must have me confused with someone else.

Besides, "breakthrough" infections are so circa AUG 2021. Only media talking heads and their worshippers use this silly term. They are infections and should be treated as such. The virus is continuing to circulate, increasingly amongst the vaccinated crowd. The whole waning thing is a thing. If you've had your "shots" and haven't been boosted...well, you may be subjected to a "breakthrough" infection. Or you can hunker down, wait until you get boosted, and jam on for 4-6 months or so, then hunker down, get boosted...and....well, you see the drill..

Good point. I confused two posters, for which I apologize.

 

[crush]

Failure to listen to experts (not the ones on tv, but the ones that actually have a job) led to the faster deaths of the elderly. How quickly we forget about decisions in states that led to unneccessary deaths in the elderly.

It was in the play book. Death=fear. Fear is the virus, moo

 

[crush]

Good point. I confused two posters, for which I apologize.

Humility from Espola, it's miracle. I see light folks at the end of the tunnel for Espola

 

[Desert Hound]

but that assumes the booster immunity doesn't fade

One has to assume boosters will fade as well.

the pills finally turn this thing around

Unless they come up with a new type of vaxx, the solution will be better treatments.

 

[Desert Hound]

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"Kill grandma" was never a claim by either side.
- @dad4

Says the guy the constantly used a variation of that phrase all the time.

 

[dad4]

Interestingly, it also makes irrationally fearful adults more comfortable about irrational mandates.

You might want to make an actual argument there, instead of just labelling other people as irrational and fearful.

 

[kickingandscreaming]

You might want to make an actual argument there, instead of just labelling other people as irrational and fearful.

Do you even look out your window in SC County? I see kids walking to school every day for many blocks wearing masks. Every day I see single individuals in cars wearing masks. I still see bicyclists out on the trail wearing masks. There are surveys showing outrageously overestimated hospitalization risk by a large portion of the "blue" population. The irrationality is all around you. You just don't want to see it. There's irrationality on the other side as well but the media covers that. When it comes to people holding on to wearing masks, we get the "give people time to get over their trauma" articles without stating the obvious - they are traumatized AND irrational.

 

[dad4]

Failure to listen to experts (not the ones on tv, but the ones that actually have a job) led to the faster deaths of the elderly. How quickly we forget about decisions in states that led to unneccessary deaths in the elderly.

I assume you’re referring to Cuomo and Levine returning known covid patients to nursing homes. That decision killed a lot of people.

The flip side is you have to give some credit to Newsom. California very briefly copied the Cuomo/Levine policy of returning people to nursing homes. Nursing home operators and epidemiologists screamed bloody murder, and the policy was quickly revoked.

 

[dad4]

Do you even look out your window in SC County? I see kids walking to school every day for many blocks wearing masks. Every day I see single individuals in cars wearing masks. I still see bicyclists out on the trail wearing masks. There are surveys showing outrageously overestimated hospitalization risk by a large portion of the "blue" population. The irrationality is all around you. You just don't want to see it. There's irrationality on the other side as well but the media covers that. When it comes to people holding on to wearing masks, we get the "give people time to get over their trauma" articles without stating the obvious - they are traumatized AND irrational.

Who are they harming? If someone wants to wear a mask inside their car, what business is it of mine?

Might even be rational. As far as I know, It’s a Lyft driver who is in between passengers.

 

[kickingandscreaming]

Who are they harming? If someone wants to wear a mask inside their car, what business is it of mine?

Might even be rational. As far as I know, It’s a Lyft driver who is in between passengers.

Who said anything about harming? I said it's irrational - specifically about the risks of COVID which leads directly to the acceptance of irrational mandates. Of the four examples I gave, you selected a special case of one of them. If only you were as critically analytical of real life as you are of lab results.

 

[Desert Hound]

Who are they harming? If someone wants to wear a mask inside their car, what business is it of mine?

It is simply idiotic to drive around wearing a mask.

But that brings up a question since you defend the practice. Should we assume you wear a mask in your car?

 

[Grace T.]

I assume you’re referring to Cuomo and Levine returning known covid patients to nursing homes. That decision killed a lot of people.

The flip side is you have to give some credit to Newsom. California very briefly copied the Cuomo/Levine policy of returning people to nursing homes. Nursing home operators and epidemiologists screamed bloody murder, and the policy was quickly revoked.

Credit to Newsom where credit is due. But you then also have to give credit to DeSantis for taking early steps to fortify Florida's nursing homes and the retirement communities there.

 

[Desert Hound]

So...then we have this...

Is it rare (breakthroughs)? Seems like it might not be.

Of the 89 total infections, 87 people were fully vaccinated, the nursing home said.

8 Dead, Dozens Infected With COVID-19 Due to Outbreak at Connecticut Nursing Home

Eight people are dead and just shy of 100 more have become infected with COVID-19 after an outbreak at a Connecticut nursing home.

www.nbcconnecticut.com

 

[Desert Hound]

Credit to Newsom where credit is due. But you then also have to give credit to DeSantis for taking early steps to fortify Florida's nursing homes and the retirement communities there.

DeSantis gets a ton of credit.

Lets us count the ways.

Schools were open.
Biz was open.

If you had a kid or a biz which state would you rather have been in? CA or FL?

 

[Grace T.]

Who said anything about harming? I said it's irrational - specifically about the risks of COVID which leads directly to the acceptance of irrational mandates. Of the four examples I gave, you selected a special case of one of them. If only you were as critically analytical of real life as you are of lab results.

If you believe the environment is harmed by single use plastic bags or plastic straws, there is a harm...creating more pollution.

if the argument is that it's not single use, well then it's even more irrational because the only thing less effective than wearing a cloth or surgical mask in a car alone is reusing the cloth or surgical mask alone.

 

[Grace T.]

So...then we have this...

Is it rare (breakthroughs)? Seems like it might not be.

Of the 89 total infections, 87 people were fully vaccinated, the nursing home said.

8 Dead, Dozens Infected With COVID-19 Due to Outbreak at Connecticut Nursing Home

Eight people are dead and just shy of 100 more have become infected with COVID-19 after an outbreak at a Connecticut nursing home.

www.nbcconnecticut.com

This lends credence to the data out of the UK that not only protection against infection but also protection against severe illness (while still better than not being vaxxed) is also waning. While an 11% CFR is certainly better than what it was for this age group prior to the vaccine, it's not great.

 

[dad4]

Who said anything about harming? I said it's irrational - specifically about the risks of COVID which leads directly to the acceptance of irrational mandates. Of the four examples I gave, you selected a special case of one of them. If only you were as critically analytical of real life as you are of lab results.

Harm to other people is the core disagreement here.

I believe that the anti-mask, anti-vax actions actually do cause harm to other people. That's why I support mask and vax requirements in public places.

You, I would guess, believe that declining to wear a mask or be vaccinated does not harm other people, and that therefore mandates are unreasonable.