Vaccine

kickingandscreaming said:
It's what happens when a "free" press prioritizes a cause over informing the public. Way too much, "you can't handle the truth". They undermine trust and give a big assist to conspiracy theory advocates.
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They are giving misinformation in a sense by not providing context.

The implication being if you just looked at headlines, etc of the major news orgs one would think the virus is deadly across age groups. That in turn has lead people/politicians to do/demand things that do not correlate with actual risk.

It has to be intentional on their part because the data has been there regarding age and risk. This data has been readily available and yet they frame their stories in a way that doesn't match up with data.

Classic example? Schools, kids and vaccines.
 
GoldenGate said:
Sorry it wasn't colorful enough for you to take seriously, so I fixed it....

Good thing unvaccinated children don't transmit Covid to adults. Now if only we can stop the spontaneous generation of Covid in hospitals and nursing homes. We know that employees aren't getting it from their kids and bringing it into work - since we know it spontaneously generates among old people.

It's so weird that anti-vaxxers are so "worried" about a virus that kills maybe 14,000 annually in a bad year, but not one that kills 600,000. It's almost, no exactly, like they're feigning concern and using it as one of a million excuses to rationalize why they're ok killing everyone over 65 because they're so mentally weak that wearing a mask and getting vaccinated is too much for them
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“Evidence from studies primarily done before vaccine approval for those 12 years of age and older suggests that staff-to-staff transmission is more common than transmission from students to staff, staff to student, or student to student.46, 50, 54 For example, in the large UK study, most outbreak cases were associated with an index case (initial case) in a staff member.46 Therefore, school interventions should include prevention strategies to reduce the transmission potential of staff members.” -CDC

Odd. Where did all those community based adult cases come from again?… you know the ones that didn’t magically come from the 5yr olds in Kindergarten?
 
N00B said:
“Evidence from studies primarily done before vaccine approval for those 12 years of age and older suggests that staff-to-staff transmission is more common than transmission from students to staff, staff to student, or student to student.46, 50, 54 For example, in the large UK study, most outbreak cases were associated with an index case (initial case) in a staff member.46 Therefore, school interventions should include prevention strategies to reduce the transmission potential of staff members.” -CDC

Odd. Where did all those community based adult cases come from again?… you know the ones that didn’t magically come from the 5yr olds in Kindergarten?
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Apparently the definition of "more common" now means "always" to anti-vaxxers. It is "more common" that people will die from cancer, so don't get vaccinated or wear seat belts, right? It is "more common" for people to miss than hit when they shoot at people, so therefore the person lying face down with the bullet wound must have died "with" covid.

It is literally insane that these nut jobs can misrepresent what words mean from two sentences in a CDC report that specifically states that team sports increase the risk of transmission, strongly recommends that students get vaccinated and that unvaccinated wear mask at schools and explains with data why that is the case.
 
GoldenGate said:
Apparently the definition of "more common" now means "always" to anti-vaxxers. It is "more common" that people will die from cancer, so don't get vaccinated or wear seat belts, right? It is "more common" for people to miss than hit when they shoot at people, so therefore the person lying face down with the bullet wound must have died "with" covid.

It is literally insane that these nut jobs can misrepresent what words mean from two sentences in a CDC report that specifically states that team sports increase the risk of transmission, strongly recommends that students get vaccinated and that unvaccinated wear mask at schools and explains with data why that is the case.
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If you want to be a ‘nutter’ and call everyone anti-vaccine for pointing out your gross overstatements, fine by me. Wallow in your hyperboles and enjoy the lack of credibility and influence that comes without civil discourse.

If only those awful birthers would stop having kids we wouldn’t have to worry about it, right?
 
N00B said:
If you want to be a ‘nutter’ and call everyone anti-vaccine for pointing out your gross overstatements, fine by me. Wallow in your hyperboles and enjoy the lack of credibility and influence that comes without civil discourse.

If only those awful birthers would stop having kids we wouldn’t have to worry about it, right?
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New avatar, new name to call people.

ETOL - Trumpanzees
GG - anti-vaxxer

Just has nothing better to do than insight arguments.
 
GoldenGate said:
Apparently the definition of "more common" now means "always" to anti-vaxxers. It is "more common" that people will die from cancer, so don't get vaccinated or wear seat belts, right? It is "more common" for people to miss than hit when they shoot at people, so therefore the person lying face down with the bullet wound must have died "with" covid.

It is literally insane that these nut jobs can misrepresent what words mean from two sentences in a CDC report that specifically states that team sports increase the risk of transmission, strongly recommends that students get vaccinated and that unvaccinated wear mask at schools and explains with data why that is the case.
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Sucker
 
Desert Hound said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1442259246339346432
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So what Australia (and New Zealand) attempted was something every scientist has long known to be unworkable in modern times and highly threatening even if it were workable. To be sure, this idea of virus suppression (where does it go?) tempted policy makers the world over. Trump tried something similar in February and March of 2020, and only later came to see the errors of his ways. As bad as the US response has been, we’ve been mercifully spared the fanatical ideology of “zero Covid.”
 
Desert Hound said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1441427256132476928
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Not so in Australia. They blocked outward and inward travel. They broadcast all kinds of messages about staying away from people. They closed businesses. Governments monitored social media for anyone straying too far from their assigned area. When they decided to lock down, they went all in. A nation that prided itself on its good government suddenly found itself managed like a vast prison colony.
 
By the summer of 2020, the country was cheering that they had somehow miraculously defeated the virus. Politicians claimed that Australia was the envy of the world. Their experts had shown the way! The US and the World Health Organization all said that Australia has done a great job. Fauci was full of praise.
 
That lasted for a few months. The data showing so few cases were helped by a low level of testing. It is actually impossible to know whether and to what extent Covid had been suppressed. Regardless, in the fall of 2020, positive tests began to rise. Then it came to the big cities of Melbourne and Sydney. The politicians took charge, and unleashed hell.
 
It’s been rolling lockdowns ever since. Protests were at first sporadic, and then more. The Prime Minister got involved and echoed the line of the local governors. The people who are protesting are being selfish, he said. The lockdowns will continue so long as the people are failing to comply, he said, echoing words of a prison guard.
 
dad4 said:
Turns out the whole anti-vax movement is an evil plot by Howard Stern and Nancy Pelosi.

The idea is to trick Republicans into refusing the vaccine, thus giving Democrats a very slight edge in every swing district in the country. And you guys fell for it, hook, line, and sinker.

www.breitbart.com

Nolte: Howard Stern Proves Democrats Want Unvaccinated Trump Voters Dead

Do you want to know why I think Howard Stern is going full-monster with his mockery of three fellow human beings who died of the coronavirus? Because leftists like Stern and CNNLOL and Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi and Anthony Fauci are deliberately looking to manipulate Trump supporters into not...
www.breitbart.com www.breitbart.com

I think mini-EOTL was in on it, too.
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It’s become almost comical in how irrational it [the series of Covid restrictions] is. The idea that I need to wear a mask when I walk into a restaurant, wear a mask, as I sit down at my seat, I am told by the restaurant, that I should only remove it when I’m eating and drinking, but then I’m removing it and sitting in a packed restaurant and lots of other people eating and drinking… At some point down the line, I feel like we’ve lost sight of the science here, and it’s become a lot more about signalling what political tribe you’re a part of.
 
Sir John Key pleads with his fellow New Zealanders to get realistic about Covid. A slice:

Some people might like to continue the North Korean option. I am not one of them. Public health experts and politicians have done a good job of making the public fearful, and therefore willing to accept multiple restrictions on their civil liberties, which are disproportionate to the risk of them contracting Covid. Another problem with the hermit kingdom model is that you have to believe the Government can go on borrowing a billion dollars every week to disguise that we are no longer making our way in the world.
 
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