Discovery League- "We've created a monster!!!"

dad4 said:
If Arsenal loses all their games 0:5, they won’t be in the Premier League.

Perhaps we should be talking about Norwich, so it would be more realistic.
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lol :)

It is week two of the various league seasons.....it will suck if families are driving all the way to oceanside or Silverlakes and paying for parking to win (or lose) by 6 or 7 goals......but as @watfly said give the kids a few more weeks to see if they figure it out......maybe way too many teams were allowed in Discovery or maybe not......while i do hate to see a 6-0, 7-0, 8-0 or 9-0 score in youth soccer it has happened to Southampton, Manchester City and Arsenal.....the key is to not let sixes and sevens in every league game......good luck to all and lets watch this space.........
 
futboldad1 said:
lol :)

It is week two of the various league seasons.....it will suck if families are driving all the way to oceanside or Silverlakes and paying for parking to win (or lose) by 6 or 7 goals......but as @watfly said give the kids a few more weeks to see if they figure it out......maybe way too many teams were allowed in Discovery or maybe not......while i do hate to see a 6-0, 7-0, 8-0 or 9-0 score in youth soccer it has happened to Southampton, Manchester City and Arsenal.....the key is to not let sixes and sevens in every league game......good luck to all and lets watch this space.........
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Yes, adjustments will be made - teams that lost by that many goals will (1) drop a lot of player to play defense and then start booting the ball forward hoping for some luck or (2) they will bring down players from higher teams. Either way, the players on the existing team loses out on development for a whole season.
 
Emma said:
Yes, adjustments will be made - teams that lost by that many goals will (1) drop a lot of player to play defense and then start booting the ball forward hoping for some luck or (2) they will bring down players from higher teams. Either way, the players on the existing team loses out on development for a whole season.
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maybe.....I think it will vary by team.....
 
Emma said:
Yes, adjustments will be made - teams that lost by that many goals will (1) drop a lot of player to play defense and then start booting the ball forward hoping for some luck or (2) they will bring down players from higher teams. Either way, the players on the existing team loses out on development for a whole season.
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You mean they will start doing what the other teams do?

I get development at u12, but Discovery is probably it for most of these kids. This is the age where they should be reaping the rewards of all that "development" and learning to play to win. This is the premier league for them. Let them win a game or two for the love of all that is good and holy, development be damned.

In any event, learning to bunker and counter isn't contrary to soccer development. When players go to college or major leagues they aren't always on teams that control possession and they aren't always playing against teams that do level 1 press. Effort, physicality, grinding, scoring on a "better" team against the run of play all build character. At the end of the day, if you want to put the ball in the goal, you have to find a way to put the ball in the goal.
 
RedCard said:
Well, there are 46 total teams in the Boys 03/04 Discovery bracket which is wayyyyyyyy to many teams in my opinion. With that many teams, there are going to be a few teams that really don't belong in the Discovery bracket.
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There are 116 total teams in the 03/04 age bracket.
They are set up:
50 - Discovery Teams
37 -Flight 1 Teams
21 -Flight 2 Teams
8 - Flight 4 Teams(not sure why they skip flight 3, but whatever).

I took statistics in college and barely remember it. But I think the curve should probably look like:
29 - Discovery Teams (really should just be named Flight 1)
56- Flight 1 Teams (Really should just be named Flight 2)
29 - Flight 2 Teams (Really should just be named Flight 3)

But this lipstick covered pig is going to be hard to unwind.
 
timbuck said:
There are 116 total teams in the 03/04 age bracket.
They are set up:
50 - Discovery Teams
37 -Flight 1 Teams
21 -Flight 2 Teams
8 - Flight 4 Teams(not sure why they skip flight 3, but whatever).

I took statistics in college and barely remember it. But I think the curve should probably look like:
29 - Discovery Teams (really should just be named Flight 1)
56- Flight 1 Teams (Really should just be named Flight 2)
29 - Flight 2 Teams (Really should just be named Flight 3)

But this lipstick covered pig is going to be hard to unwind.
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Kids quit over time. You slowly lose teams.

If you downgrade teams each year to keep the ratios right, kids will feel like all the work is pointless. So you’ll lose kids even faster.

Not an issue for the TM of a top team. But it creates a real problem for the lower ranked teams.

Norcal uses the grade inflation solution, too. A medium skill team finally gets upgraded to “gold” right about the same time the top teams start premier. No one is fooled. But the kids are still happy to hear that they moved up.
 
For what is worth, in G09 there are:

8 teams in Discovery
28 teams in Flight 1
57 teams in Flight 2
60 teams in Flight 3

It appears a bit more balanced.
 
timbuck said:
There are 116 total teams in the 03/04 age bracket.
They are set up:
50 - Discovery Teams
37 -Flight 1 Teams
21 -Flight 2 Teams
8 - Flight 4 Teams(not sure why they skip flight 3, but whatever).

I took statistics in college and barely remember it. But I think the curve should probably look like:
29 - Discovery Teams (really should just be named Flight 1)
56- Flight 1 Teams (Really should just be named Flight 2)
29 - Flight 2 Teams (Really should just be named Flight 3)

But this lipstick covered pig is going to be hard to unwind.
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Agree, but the renaming of flights could be even more accurate/tough truth than you suggest above given MLS Next and ECNL.....after U12 there isn't really a flight 1 at all.......
 
Woodwork said:
Kind of like the city telling you they are improving your neighborhood, but then they just change street signs. We live on Rodeo drive now! Movin' up!
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Sort of. But the street is still the same street. The kid actually is getting better over time. Nothing wrong will telling him so.
 
dad4 said:
The kid actually is getting better over time. Nothing wrong will telling him so.
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I do that all the time. Kid doesn't need a flight label to know that. Needs to see it in individual games.

My kid isn't an idiot. She understands that she is better at 16 than she was at 15, but so is everyone else and advancement is relative in direct competition. If her team gets promoted even though they finished dead last, she doesn't think they got any better relative to other teams. I would have to explain to her not to worry because all the teams got promoted and it is the same as last year. She doesn't believe in the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, or Santa Claus, so I am pretty much done lying to her.
 
Woodwork said:
I do that all the time. Kid doesn't need a flight label to know that. Needs to see it in individual games.

My kid isn't an idiot. She understands that she is better at 16 than she was at 15, but so is everyone else and advancement is relative in direct competition. If her team gets promoted even though they finished dead last, she doesn't think they got any better relative to other teams. I would have to explain to her not to worry because all the teams got promoted and it is the same as last year. She doesn't believe in the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, or Santa Claus, so I am pretty much done lying to her.
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you are lucky. my kid isn't that sharp. he is flight iii but i have him convinced he is playing mls next. he lives in a happy false bubble. may not be great for his long term development but short term has been pleasant.
 
ECNL, MLS Next are today’s premier teams- only a few Discovery teams can play with them on a regular basic. Clubs with RL/ MLS equivalent etc are the second teams (old gold). Clubs that have the above are playing their 3rd team in Discovery (old silver)
 
timbuck said:
There are 116 total teams in the 03/04 age bracket.
They are set up:
50 - Discovery Teams
37 -Flight 1 Teams
21 -Flight 2 Teams
8 - Flight 4 Teams(not sure why they skip flight 3, but whatever).

I took statistics in college and barely remember it. But I think the curve should probably look like:
29 - Discovery Teams (really should just be named Flight 1)
56- Flight 1 Teams (Really should just be named Flight 2)
29 - Flight 2 Teams (Really should just be named Flight 3)

But this lipstick covered pig is going to be hard to unwind.
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There is no need to be overly critical on how we label the flights. In UK they don't call the second division Flight 2 either. They call it "Championship". LOL.
 
Messi>CR7 said:
There is no need to be overly critical on how we label the flights. In UK they don't call the second division Flight 2 either. They call it "Championship". LOL.
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They also have the pub league so using adult monikers for youth doesn't really translate.

No reason to be misleading or gloss up the different brackets, kids know what's up. They don't need labels

A,B,D, 1-4 Call them what they really are,. Hiding behind some marketing terms like discovery is just for the parents or clubs.
 
Socal league could be two tiers:. Competitive and Recreational.

Competitive could travel but starts @ 11v11 only. High school team players would fit in this tier and games scheduled appropriately.

Recreational is everyone else flight x to 4. Local play in the same county home & away. All 9v9 or youngers + other 11v11 teams that don't fit or earn there ways into competitive by winning tournaments, leagues, etc.

League cup for rec at the end of the fall season before winter break.

Of course those names won't sell so you get "discovery", flight 4, super elite, blah, blah
 
lafalafa said:
Socal league could be two tiers:. Competitive and Recreational.

Competitive could travel but starts @ 11v11 only. High school team players would fit in this tier and games scheduled appropriately.

Recreational is everyone else flight x to 4 or. Local play in the same county home & away. All 9v9 or youngers + other 11v11 teams that don't fit or earn there ways into competitive by winning tournaments, leagues, etc.

League cup for rec at the end of the fall season before winter break.

Of course those names won't sell so this you get "discovery", flight 4, super elite, blah, blah
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So, the top 9v9 players in socal would all play rec?

That would pretty much ruin the game for normal rec players. Why bother learning to dribble? Just kick the ball to mini-Marta. She’ll score. But next week we play the team with mini-Becky. The whole team will enjoy watching those two play.
 
lafalafa said:
Socal league could be two tiers:. Competitive and Recreational.

Competitive could travel but starts @ 11v11 only. High school team players would fit in this tier and games scheduled appropriately.

Recreational is everyone else flight x to 4. Local play in the same county home & away. All 9v9 or youngers + other 11v11 teams that don't fit or earn there ways into competitive by winning tournaments, leagues, etc.

League cup for rec at the end of the fall season before winter break.

Of course those names won't sell so you get "discovery", flight 4, super elite, blah, blah
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How about rec leagues setting their fees so that there is enough left over to pay for free entry to the post-season tournament for the highest finishers in the league?
 
dad4 said:
So, the top 9v9 players in socal would all play rec?

That would pretty much ruin the game for normal rec players. Why bother learning to dribble? Just kick the ball to mini-Marta. She’ll score. But next week we play the team with mini-Becky. The whole team will enjoy watching those two play.
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I for one want to watch mini-Marta and mini-Becky!
 
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